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ArcticEmpress
03-31-2002, 05:10 PM
Hailed as the next big thing by fantasy writers and critics alike, Pullman's His Dark Materials trilogy has been compared to both Tolkien's Lord of the Rings(LOTR) and Lewis's Chronicles of Narnia(CON). Those are some big shoes to fill and I wanted to see if Pullman was up to the task. Afterall, there's even been talk of a movie in the making.

I ordered the set and spent about three weeks reading the series in between writing comp papers and sorting lichen samples. Thankfully, the trilogy was a thoroughly enjoyable and relaxing escape from those other tediums. In fact, rarely do i finish 1500 pages in three weeks, particularly when i'm swamped with 'more important' things to do. But this series is of that rare breed where once you start, it's hard to stop, and when you do stop your mind keeps returning to the story even when you're doing other things. So the books are compelling in that respect. Pullman knows how to draw his audience in and keep them captivated.

Pullman's works are classified as fantasy, but don't expect goblins or elves in these stories. There is the occasional cliff ghast, which is something like a flying goblin, and there are witches, whose lives seem to be as long as elves. But all in all, Pullman's tale is much more reality based than either LOTR or CON, containing snipets of factual information about our world throughout the series. In several ways the tale is more speculative historical fiction than fantasy. The fantasy elements come with the peoples and tools that Pullman adds to make his point more clear.

And what is his point? Dark Materials is also labeled as a children's series. Read the first installment, The Golden Compass, and this much is obvious. Read the second book, The Subtle Knife, however, and the whole story takes on ten or more layers of new meaning. This second book is where Pullman truly shines as a writer, showing that what seemed like a simple story at first, is nothing short of moral, religious, and cosmological theory and debate. Pullman gracefully ties in theories of negative space and alternate universes with philosophies on fate and spirituallity. I read this second book and I couldn't beleive children were reading this series. If kids are interested in these types of things, so much the better i say.

The finale of the trilogy was great, until the end. The end was a bit of a letdown. It didn't seem to pack the same punch that had been building up in the last three novels, and it seemed rushed. Overall, though, the trilogy was still an enjoyable and worthwhile read. Of LOTR and CON, Dark Materials is more similar to the Narnia Series, both because of some of the characterization used and because of the religious overtones. Would I say Dark Materials is better than either of these predecessors? Certainly not. But it may have a place near them in its own right.

If you enjoyed the Narnia Series, A Wrinkle in Time, Nietzsche, or Paradise Lost, you may find this read intriguing. If you're looking for something more along the lines of LOTR though, i'd recommend the Wheel of Time series, or the Sword of Truth series first.

my ten cents.

legna
04-01-2002, 01:00 AM
Well Arctic- it seems you got to review this before I did.
I've read the first book and I definatly enjoyed it- now I've gone and bougth the second, and will write a review soon :)

Film Hobbit
04-01-2002, 10:24 AM
Well I like Narnia, but hate Wrinkle in Time... now I'm conflicted.

ArcticEmpress
04-01-2002, 05:40 PM
Legna, I look forward to hearing what you have to say about these books. i'm glad to hear that you enjoyed the first book so much. the first two were my favorites of the series. we'll have to compare notes :).

Hobbit, i didn't like Wrinkle in Time much either. I found this series to be much more readable though, and not so happy sappy. Wrinkle in Time sprang to mind mostly because the books have similar story lines based on coming of age, self-discovery, and good vs. evil. I admit i much prefer Pullman's writing style and darker tone however. actually it's his writing style, i think, that partially gives it the narnia feel.

Let me also note that not everything Nietzsche ever wrote is relatable to these books either. Mostly i had in mind his views on religion.

Pullman tells the reader he heavily barrowed from Paradise Lost though, so if ya don't like that you might want to stay away from this series altogether.

hope this helps some with your confliction hobbit. ;)

legna
04-16-2002, 01:00 AM
His Dark Materials by Philip Pullman

His Dark Materials is actually a 3 book series written by Philip Pullman. The Golden Compass, The Subtle Knife and The Amber Spyglass. As a reader who professes a strong dislike for science fiction, I was pleasantly surprised by this series.
Philip Pullman has a writing style that is unusual for science fiction. He doesn't write about fantastical things that the reader would have trouble imagining, he doesn't create worlds that could never exist, and most glaringly, he doesn't use a thousand words when he can use two. Pullman weaves a tapastry of words that easily creates images in your mind. His style is similiar to authors such as Anne Rice, Christopher Golden, Wilbur Smith. A style that has an easy flow and with a few quick words sucks you into the story.
The series begins in a world similar to our own, with a young troublemaker named Lyra. It then follows her, and later her counterpart Will from our world, through the new beginning of the worlds as we know it. The first few chapters of the book may be a bit hard to get into, if only because Pullman throws you right in. He doesn't give you a slow introduction as many authors are prone to do. But don't get discouraged, this is a book- and series- that all ages will love.

Rating
9 Stars out of 10

The Golden Compass (http://www.vstore.com/cgi-bin/pagegen/vstoremovies/filimhobbit/page.html?mode=itempage&file=/page/itempagev4/itempage.spl&prodID=520832&catID=26307)
The Subtle Knife (http://www.vstore.com/cgi-bin/pagegen/vstoremovies/filimhobbit/page.html?mode=itempage&file=/page/itempagev4/itempage.spl&prodID=552191&catID=26307)
The Amber Spyglass (http://www.vstore.com/cgi-bin/pagegen/vstoremovies/filimhobbit/page.html?mode=itempage&file=/page/itempagev4/itempage.spl&prodID=1291818&catID=26307)

aquapolar
04-16-2002, 05:36 PM
so legna what'd you think of the ending? would you have it any other way?

Film Hobbit
04-17-2002, 01:56 PM
I'm not sure I understand the plot, what is the idea behind it?

legna
04-18-2002, 06:34 PM
OMG- the ending is purely WRONG. I mean... I wished there were some way around it. And in the end I didn't understand the "eve" comments.

Hobbit, the plot is very hard to explain. The story is about a young girl named Lyra who lives in a world parallel (and similar) to ours. She and her Daemon sneak into a forbidden lounge and listen in on something they are not meant to see or hear. This one event launches her on a 3 book discovery mission, where she finds out who her real parents are, is kid napped, almost killed, and learns- and tries to protect- "Dust". Without ruining the plot that's pretty much the sum of what I can say. The story involves witches (who are more like faeries in the traditional sence) and gypsies, and scholoars, and armoured bears, and all sorts of weird and wonderful things.

ArcticEmpress
04-20-2002, 02:54 PM
good synopsis.

fun fact i learned recently about this series: Pullman is an atheist. This trilogy is supposed to be his Narnia Series. ironicly, he also has something against CS Lewis espousing his religious beliefs in childrens literature. almost every interview he's in, he has something to say about the guy.


****POSSIBLE SPOILERS BELOW****




about the eve references. yeah that was a little weird. i was hoping that would tie in better than it did. the only connection i could see though was the loss of innocence. both in the forest and how they begin to look at things differently. kinda hokey in that respect. Pullman played up the melodrama at the end way too much as well. What i'm really wondering about though is why what will and lyra did in the forest affected the flow of dust. what was so special about them that only they could manage that? oh and by the way these are like 12 year olds right? yeah. very wrong.

Evil Dead Junkie
02-18-2003, 07:19 PM
The ending was perfect.

A tacked on happy ending would suck

Arctic
02-18-2003, 07:49 PM
SPOILERS

it didn't need a happy ending IMHO, just a more explanatory ending i guess is what i was looking for. why would prepubescent sex change the way the world works and make everything suddenly better? it's been about a year since i read these; maybe i should go back over them and make sure i didn't miss something. :batman

Evil Dead Junkie
02-19-2003, 12:05 AM
MAJOR SPOILERS

Alright heres how I can explain this as a catholic and a huge fan of the books.

The Catholic Church teaches that Adam and Eve were thrown out of Paradise because they gave into their human urges.

The entire point of Phillip Pullman's Books is that this wasn't a great moment of shame as the nearly every single religion with a creation myth makes it out to be, but instead it was mankind's crowning achievement, the time when we as humans finally decided to take our destiny in our own hands instead of leaving it in the hands of a false God.

So when the Church and Asriel begin to tamper with dust for their own means, and God (or Metatron whatever) declares war on earth in an attempt to gain power this free will was once again negated more or less.

Except for Lyra and Will, They were the only ones with true free will. They had to make the decision on man's behalf. That was the witches prophecy.

Now the Idea is at the end of the Book the Church had lost most of it's influence, Both the corrupt Kingdom of Heaven and the corrupt Republic of Heaven had been destroyed having lost their leaders and the followers. But the world was not in balance was still dying because man more specifically the ambassodors of man, the ages Adam and Eve (Aka Will and Lyra) had yet to embrace their human natures, their free choice. When they do this it means that God has been proven fallable a second time, and humans have once again claimed their right to free will. This is why the world is set back into balance at the end.

phenotype31
04-27-2004, 04:23 PM
Started this last night. I actually decided to walk home from an earlier bus stop just so I could hear more.

it's been a few months since I was interested in a book I picked up. Usually I put them down after a few pages and listen to music.

legna
04-28-2004, 10:06 AM
Wow- old old thread!
I still love these books.... I'll have to dig them out of storage some time soon.

phenotype31
05-03-2004, 12:45 PM
heh. yeah. The search function works well here.

I'm seriously liking this series.