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fafhrd

08-09-2004, 11:29 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by masterthes
Eh, he's trying, but it's just not working for me. Yes, that promo was very funny, but he needs to turn face again and return to the old Bradshaw and maybe start becoming the Stone Cold of the new millenium.

The gimmick would have worked had they given him time to fine tune it, not shove him down our throats as a "credible World Title contender." He's clearly not- he's not in shape, has limited mobility in the ring, and he's still learning to use the mike. Only reason he's even around is that Vince feels like he owes him something. Bullshit.

and did I call it or what about the Spike turn? I don't think he's ever been heel in the WWE, and of course I never saw ECW so let's see where this will go.

This is basically the first time he's ever really been a heel, and it's refreshing. Plus, it looks to me like he's the ringleader of the Dudleys...which is cool. Makes them fresh for once!

Fafhrd

fafhrd

08-09-2004, 11:31 AM

Originally posted by B1ade Runner
That may also be the obvious. I agree with you, though. JBL is like the new-millenium Ted DiBiase...minus the charisma.

He's like every other tin pot contender that Vince throws out there with a lame gimmick that we're supposed to like.

The fans liked Eddie well enough, Vince. And I don't think that they'd have had any problem with an Eddie/RVD/Booker feud.

At least we have Benoit on Raw.

Fafhrd

B1ade Runner

08-09-2004, 08:21 PM

Originally posted by fafhrd
Only reason he's even around is that Vince feels like he owes him something. Bullshit.That, or because Brock Lesnar is gone. :rolleyes

The problem is that both brands need a top heel. RAW has theirs in Triple H (or even Randy Orton) and all Smackdown has is JBL.

masterthes

08-09-2004, 08:34 PM

Big Show needs to come back. Anybody know what's happened to him? Is he injured?

B1ade Runner

08-09-2004, 08:36 PM

He's recovering from knee surgery.

fafhrd

08-09-2004, 11:13 PM

Originally posted by B1ade Runner
That, or because Brock Lesnar is gone. :rolleyes

The problem is that both brands need a top heel. RAW has theirs in Triple H (or even Randy Orton) and all Smackdown has is JBL.

Raw has Triple H, Orton, and Kane. SD should be milking Angle and Booker for all they're worth.

Btw, notice how little airtime that JBL and UT get? And how much airtime the US Title stuff gets?

Actually, Big Show had double knee surgeries. He'll be back after Summerslam.

Fafhrd

B1ade Runner

08-09-2004, 11:26 PM

Originally posted by fafhrd
Btw, notice how little airtime that JBL and UT get? And how much airtime the US Title stuff gets?Because the feud came out of nowhere. The Undertaker just popped up one night and suddenly became the #1 contender.

masterthes

08-10-2004, 09:52 PM

Well, here's some interesting info. First, Sable has once again been let go by the WWE.

And it's rumored that Orlando Jordan might become Virgil 2K4.

fafhrd

08-10-2004, 11:19 PM

Originally posted by B1ade Runner
Because the feud came out of nowhere. The Undertaker just popped up one night and suddenly became the #1 contender.

They're admitting they screwed up by giving JBL the title with the UT feud. It's about all they can do to cover for the fact that JBL isn't really credible. There's no buildup to UT/JBL, which basically shows that they WEREN'T THINKING when they gave JBL the title about anything of worth.

Angle/Eddie should be the title rematch...and everyone knows that. Including the dumbass who gave JBL the title.

Fafhrd

fafhrd

08-10-2004, 11:23 PM

Originally posted by masterthes
Well, here's some interesting info. First, Sable has once again been let go by the WWE.

And it's rumored that Orlando Jordan might become Virgil 2K4.

Ah, Sable....maybe now she can be with Lesnar more often by being a Vikings Cheerleader. She was such a waste.

And good call on Orlando Jordan....although this probably will kill his career, when the JBL backlash begins in the WWE management. Someone's going to take the fall for the suckiness of JBL. Jordan will be involved :)

Doesn't really matter to me; he's just another big doof in the ring who's got marginal talent (well, more than most) and would need ALOT of time to really become polished. Cena, Shelton, Haas, and Orton he's not.

Fafhrd

B1ade Runner

08-11-2004, 12:02 AM

Has anyone noticed that Summerslam is going to follow the structure of the past two WrestleManias? There are going to be two non-title main events (HHH/Eugene, Angle/Guerrero) and two main events for the titles ('Taker/JBL, Orton/Benoit).

Bordick

10-11-2004, 05:34 PM

okay....I've been out of it lately I've developed thursday night amnesia and constantly forget that Smackdown is on.....I was browsing around trying to play catch up....that new fro guy with the bad Razor Ramon gimmick won the U.S. title? WTF?

B1ade Runner

10-11-2004, 07:00 PM

Cena had to drop the title to film The Marine. My question is: why did they have him struggle to regain his only championship over the course of three months if they were going to have him lose it four days later? I think the reason Smackdown keeps changing champions is because the audience probably has a shorter attention span.

fafhrd

10-11-2004, 11:31 PM

Originally posted by B1ade Runner
Cena had to drop the title to film The Marine. My question is: why did they have him struggle to regain his only championship over the course of three months if they were going to have him lose it four days later? I think the reason Smackdown keeps changing champions is because the audience probably has a shorter attention span.

I think they wanted to do two things: one, have closure with the Booker/Cena feud, and two, move Cena on from there to do the movie. They're contemplating having Booker go for the title, as a face, in the near future. They gave the title to Carlito as a way to spark interest in SD, which was getting a bit stale.

That's their take on it. My take is that they should have had Booker win the series against Cena, but cheat to do so, and then have Cena out for a bit to do the movie. They could then have JBL lose the damn title to Booker, and he could truly cement himself as a worthy champion, holding both the US and World Titles at the same time.

Fafhrd

B1ade Runner

10-11-2004, 11:56 PM

Is there anyone else hoping that Hardcore Holly wins the WWE Championship on SD this Thursday?

I think he would make a better champion than Bradshaw, and could have potentially good feuds with Angle, Cena, and Booker.

fafhrd

10-12-2004, 12:06 AM

Originally posted by B1ade Runner
Is there anyone else hoping that Hardcore Holly wins the WWE Championship on SD this Thursday?

I think he would make a better champion than Bradshaw, and could have potentially good feuds with Angle, Cena, and Booker.

He could, but no one will care. And he really doesn't deserve it....but then again, neither did JBL. And he IS an infinitely better wrestler.

Fafhrd

B1ade Runner

10-12-2004, 12:20 AM

Originally posted by fafhrd
And he IS an infinitely better wrestler. You mean Holly?

masterthes

10-12-2004, 01:16 AM

No, JBL, which I agree.

B1ade Runner

11-06-2004, 11:16 AM

The inside story on the Angle/Puder incident from NoDQ:

The Kurt Angle-Daniel Puder deal from last night's Smackdown is really interesting. On MMA message boards, this has turned into the biggest story in a long time, and the funny part is, many MMA board people don't get the big picture at all and hate pro wrestling. I've seen some talk on pro wrestling boards, but while I've gotten tons of phone calls about it, I've gotten almost no e-mails about it, so I don't think many fans watching saw what really happened. Just to answer a few questions on it. It was real. If you don't follow fighting, Puder had Angle locked in the Kimura, or keylock as Tazz called it, although Tazz didn't let on the move was fully executed. Not only was Angle not getting out of the move, but most MMA fighters would have tapped already. Angle couldn't tap for obvious reasons. The ref counted a three even though Puder's shoulders weren't fully down, trying to end the thing, because the reality was Angle would have been in surgery had it gone a few seconds longer or had Puder not given up the hold. My impression is, since this was a taped show, that nobody in enough power in the company actually understood what happened and let it air, and figured most would see it as a pinfall in 40 seconds. And they were 98% correct, between the commentary and the pinfall, that is how most saw it. It was only when it was all over MMA boards last night that "unknown shootfighter really beats Kurt Angle" and was the hottest topic all night, that they took the footage of it off their web site, and replaced it with copy that said, "Angle mauled Nawrocki, before taking volunteers, next pinning Daniel Puder in a slightly tougher, but still relatively easy match." This is when you know a company is doomed. When God hands them an angle that would get people talking like nothing they've been able to create on their own, given them the potential for legit water cooler talk had they played it right, and they are so blind they go in the opposite direction. Tazz called it like, "well, so much for the UFC." Yeah, and so much for The Invasion angle as well.

fafhrd

11-08-2004, 11:27 AM

Angle wasn't going full out with it. This is a guy who's beaten virtually every wrestler on the WWE's roster at Amateur/shootfighting, not to mention his past stellar history with the Olympics and all.

Angle doesn't know what these guys are capable of- but they do know what he's capable of. Angle doesn't want to snap someone's arm accidentally because the guy was even more untrained than Angle thought he was. If Puder got Angle into a hold, that's because Angle let him, for all intents and purposes.

Fafhrd

B1ade Runner

11-12-2004, 12:21 PM

Potentially good news:

JBL said that he would never return to SD if he loses the WWE Championship to Booker T at Survivor Series.

:bluntchop

fafhrd

11-12-2004, 12:41 PM

:dance

Fafhrd

masterthes

11-13-2004, 06:01 PM

Which means one of two things:

1. he's retaining
2. he's going to RAW

B1ade Runner

11-13-2004, 06:20 PM

Either would make me sick.

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fafhrd

11-14-2004, 09:10 AM

Originally posted by B1ade Runner
Either would make me sick.

Oh, c'mon now, do you honestly think that he'd survive FIVE SECONDS on Raw? He'd have to

A) survive the wrath of Triple H
B) survive the workrate of Benoit
C) survive the mic work of Jericho
D) survive the cuteness of Orton
E) survive Shawn Michaels

He'd be toast.

Fafhrd

phenotype31

12-16-2004, 08:53 PM

Please tell me someone saw that Royal Rumble promo. That was frickin' hilarious.

Oh, and JBL is still champion? And he still sucks. I'd rather Bradshaw had the belt rather than this stupid gimmick.

B1ade Runner

12-17-2004, 02:20 AM

Either would suck. Booker T should have been the top heel on SD in 2004. Granted, I prefer him as a face, but he could have had great main event feuds with Guerrero, The Undertaker, RVD, and maybe even J.B.L. as a challenger.

fafhrd

12-17-2004, 04:08 AM

Actually, while I'm also a fan of the "Booker as main SD heel" concept, I'm also a fan of having RVD as the main heel on SD. Think of a young Shawn Michaels, only much more rude, and dominant in the ring.

That being said, Angle also is a top level heel.....just not as a GM.

Fafhrd

B1ade Runner

12-17-2004, 12:12 PM

I agree, having Booker and RVD as heels, along with Angle, would have done well for the ratings.

Bordick

12-17-2004, 08:37 PM

Originally posted by phenotype31
Please tell me someone saw that Royal Rumble promo. That was frickin' hilarious.

WWEst Side Story? :lol

MetalMan713

12-21-2004, 05:30 PM

Tomorrow is SMACKDOWN in Iraq. . .

No Stone Cold though. . .

:bsad

Phantasm

12-22-2004, 05:48 AM

But then again, Steve Austin sucks. Unless he's heel, of course.

MetalMan713

12-22-2004, 07:37 AM

Originally posted by PhantaZm Azh
But then again, Steve Austin sucks. Unless he's heel, of course.

As Stone Cold - he's always been a heel. That's part of his mystique. . .
:cool

Phantasm

12-22-2004, 07:43 AM

Except that he was a "Tweener". Normal "Stone Cold" just sucked. Punch kick stunner. The same with The Rock. Heel Rock is great, but normal Rock... Punch punch punch rock bottom, spinebuster, peoples elboy, sharpshooter. thats it. and his sharpshooter makes him look like he really needs to... unload.

MetalMan713

12-22-2004, 07:46 AM

Originally posted by PhantaZm Azh
Except that he was a "Tweener". Normal "Stone Cold" just sucked. Punch kick stunner. The same with The Rock. Heel Rock is great, but normal Rock... Punch punch punch rock bottom, spinebuster, peoples elboy, sharpshooter. thats it. and his sharpshooter makes him look like he really needs to... unload.

I agree - Stone Cold and Rock as Heel rocked; Normal SC and Rocky didn't. . .

B1ade Runner

12-22-2004, 07:26 PM

Heels are usually more interesting than faces, anyway. Mostly because heels can reinvent themselves in new, evil ways, but heels are just always "nice guys," so it's harder to stay fresh. Look at Triple H and Shawn Michaels this past year. Hunter has gone through a few changes, all while remaining pretty evil, while Michaels' has been pretty much the same character since he returned to the ring in August 2002. The only exception was when he was a bit of a "tweener" when he started super-kicking Chris Benoit before WreslteMania.

B1ade Runner

01-01-2005, 01:19 PM

With 'Taker set to face Heidenreich at the Royal Rumble in a "Casket Match," does anyone think he'll lose and come back later on in the year, thus missing WrestleMania?

fafhrd

01-02-2005, 08:01 PM

Originally posted by B1ade Runner
Heels are usually more interesting than faces, anyway. Mostly because heels can reinvent themselves in new, evil ways, but heels are just always "nice guys," so it's harder to stay fresh. Look at Triple H and Shawn Michaels this past year. Hunter has gone through a few changes, all while remaining pretty evil, while Michaels' has been pretty much the same character since he returned to the ring in August 2002. The only exception was when he was a bit of a "tweener" when he started super-kicking Chris Benoit before WreslteMania.

Actually, Michaels was more of a tweener AFTER Benoit won the belt, going into the Backlash ppv.

Fafhrd

fafhrd

01-02-2005, 08:01 PM

Originally posted by B1ade Runner
With 'Taker set to face Heidenreich at the Royal Rumble in a "Casket Match," does anyone think he'll lose and come back later on in the year, thus missing WrestleMania?

I'm at the point where I'd rather the WWE just skip Undertaker for the rest of the year, completely. He's wasting our precious time with lame assed feuds.

Fafhrd

B1ade Runner

01-02-2005, 08:30 PM

Originally posted by fafhrd
Actually, Michaels was more of a tweener AFTER Benoit won the belt, going into the Backlash ppv. True, but that was only because he was heading into Canada, where he was going to get booed, no matter what he did.

B1ade Runner

01-02-2005, 08:31 PM

Originally posted by fafhrd
I'm at the point where I'd rather the WWE just skip Undertaker for the rest of the year, completely. He's wasting our precious time with lame assed feuds. I agree. Let him come back at WM 22 for a "final encounter" Hell in a Cell with Kane, which would be pretty cool.

Bordick

01-02-2005, 08:32 PM

Originally posted by fafhrd
I'm at the point where I'd rather the WWE just skip Undertaker for the rest of the year, completely. He's wasting our precious time with lame assed feuds.

Fafhrd
That's because he's not a good person to help someone get over.....at all. At least, not anymore.

B1ade Runner

01-02-2005, 08:48 PM

That's because they wanted the "deadman resurrection" to be the renaissance of his persona, thus having him job to Booker T, the Dudley Boyz, Heidenreich, or actually being pinned by J.B.L. would result in fans taking the character less seriously, and I agree with that.

Before then, it was made more sense for someone to pin the "American badass." If he were on RAW, or had some serious opponent, I could see it. But for the moment, I'm glad he's the "Triple H of Smackdown," because the only thing more upsetting than his stupid feuds would be getting pinned by someone like J.B.L.

fafhrd

01-02-2005, 10:40 PM

Originally posted by B1ade Runner
True, but that was only because he was heading into Canada, where he was going to get booed, no matter what he did.

Well, there was the whole "will he turn heel or won't he" thing going on at the time. Also, IN Canada, it was more pronounced. The crowd hated him, and he let them hate him. That was classic.

Fafhrd

fafhrd

01-02-2005, 10:46 PM

Originally posted by B1ade Runner
I agree. Let him come back at WM 22 for a "final encounter" Hell in a Cell with Kane, which would be pretty cool.

I wouldn't mind that, but I'd much rather have Undertaker vs. Benoit...just because I want to see a match between them.

Fafhrd

B1ade Runner

01-02-2005, 10:49 PM

Originally posted by fafhrd
Well, there was the whole "will he turn heel or won't he" thing going on at the time. Also, IN Canada, it was more pronounced. The crowd hated him, and he let them hate him. That was classic. I agree, and that match could have pushed forward a heel turn, but it would have only worked in Canada. By the time he made it back to America, people would have been a little confused as to why to boo him. It was a one-time incident, but I think a heel turn could still work. He's still young enough for any kind of turn to matter.

B1ade Runner

01-02-2005, 10:53 PM

Originally posted by fafhrd
I wouldn't mind that, but I'd much rather have Undertaker vs. Benoit...just because I want to see a match between them. I'm sure that would work, but not at WrestleMania, unless it ended up being a sleeper mismatch, like Flair/'Taker at Mania (which shut me up) or Kane/Angle (which I've heard was surprisingly good).

fafhrd

01-02-2005, 11:10 PM

Originally posted by B1ade Runner
I agree, and that match could have pushed forward a heel turn, but it would have only worked in Canada. By the time he made it back to America, people would have been a little confused as to why to boo him. It was a one-time incident, but I think a heel turn could still work. He's still young enough for any kind of turn to matter.

Heh, and here I'm thinking of Michaels as a ring veteran (which he is) but he's light years ahead of most wrestlers right now...and will be for the forseeable future. It's amazing what the man can do in the ring. 10 years from now I think he'll still be able to "go" at or around the same level.

So will Benoit and Jericho, btw. Can't say Angle or Hunter will, considering their past injuries. As much as I can be a fan of the latter two, I think the overall impact of Benoit and Jericho will be much longer and more pronounced on the industry than Hunter's or Angle's ever will be.

Fafhrd

fafhrd

01-02-2005, 11:12 PM

Originally posted by B1ade Runner
I'm sure that would work, but not at WrestleMania, unless it ended up being a sleeper mismatch, like Flair/'Taker at Mania (which shut me up) or Kane/Angle (which I've heard was surprisingly good).

heh, I didn't expect much from Flair/Taker either, but it ended up being REALLY good (and the spinebuster by Arn Anderson was a TOTAL MARKOUT MOMENT). I want to see a 'Taker/Benoit match because we've never really seen them go at it. And the sheer intensity that Benoit brings to the ring is something that I want to see UT handle. It'd be brutal, and great if handled right.

Fafhrd

B1ade Runner

01-02-2005, 11:24 PM

Originally posted by fafhrd
heh, I didn't expect much from Flair/Taker either, but it ended up being REALLY good (and the spinebuster by Arn Anderson was a TOTAL MARKOUT MOMENT). I want to see a 'Taker/Benoit match because we've never really seen them go at it. And the sheer intensity that Benoit brings to the ring is something that I want to see UT handle. It'd be brutal, and great if handled right. I completely agree about the spinebuster, I went nuts over it (and I only saw the match for the first time a few weeks ago).

But I get what you're saying about Benoit/'Taker: it definitely has potential.

Bordick

01-02-2005, 11:47 PM

Originally posted by B1ade Runner
Before then, it was made more sense for someone to pin the "American badass." If he were on RAW, or had some serious opponent, I could see it. But for the moment, I'm glad he's the "Triple H of Smackdown," because the only thing more upsetting than his stupid feuds would be getting pinned by someone like J.B.L.

He's not the "Triple H of Smackdown" because Triple H can actually make opponents look good. 'Taker hasn't been able to do that for a while (if at all). The only time in a 'taker match where the opponent actually got over was because they already were over and could do no wrong....RVD & Jeff Hardy for example.