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<IMG SRC=http://images.rottentomatoes.com/images/movie/custom/63/10000663.jpg border=1 align=right><FONT COLOR=yellow size=4><B>Kill Bill Volume 1</B></FONT>
<B>Release Date:</B> October 10, 2003
<B>Directed By:</B> Quentin Tarantino
<B>Written By:</B> Quentin Tarantino
<B>Cast:</B> Uma Thurman (The Bride), David Carradine (Bill), Daryl Hannah, Michael Madsen, Vivica A. Fox, Lucy Liu, Michael Jai White, Chia Hui Liu, Chiaki Kuriyama, Sonny Chiba
<B>Plot Outline:</B> A female assassin attacked on her wedding day by her husband and group leader, Bill, wakes up from a coma and seeks revenge.
<B><U>Reviews:</U></B>
<A HREF=http://www.filmhobbit.com/cgi-bin/movies/movies.cgi?action=showreview&review=killbill1>"Picture Monty Python's Black Knight sketch spread over the course of an entire movie." - Joshua Tyler, FilmHobbit.com</A>
<CENTER>DISCUSS IT AFTER YOU SEE IT! Feel Free to talk Spoilers</CENTER>
Only 10 reviews up at rottentomatoes, but 80% fresh so far. Neat.
strider21jt
10-09-2003, 10:29 PM
i saw it .. my college was giving away free tixs.. i saw it last week. it was awesome.. freaking violent though lol sheesh
I'm pretty hyped about it..I'll be going to see a matinee of it sometime tomorrow afternoon before I go to work.
Bordick
10-10-2003, 01:11 AM
I plan on going between sometime after I have do this seminar thing in the morning and Saturday afternoon. But I WILL actually see this movie. I haven't gone since Freddy Vs. Jason and I say it's about ****ing time I break that streak.
I don't think I've been to the theater to see a movie since Freddy Vs. Jason either..it's quite sad for me, because I usually go to the theater quite frequently, but I haven't had the time or the money for a while.
The Chapman
10-10-2003, 06:03 AM
Being a projectionist, I got to screen it this Thursday in an empty theatre. I must say I enjoyed it much more than I expected. Campy, yes, but surprisingly most of that camp is punctuated with very serious and introspective moments.
I absolutely loved Sonny Chiba's performance. For the three scenes he is in he steals the show. though all the performances are just right. Nice job of Quentin to make vol. 1 a complete arc that ended descently with enough tease for the second half.
That was easily the best part of the film: Quentin's absolute love for film and his ability to make it felt on the screen. Like a loving poem of song, Quentin uses film to say his thanks and show his love.
The Anime sequence, though distracting at first, was quite inspiring. Anyway, enough of the pinpointing.
I can see why Hobbit was so vague about Lucy Liu's character and her ethnic origin. Addressed very bluntly in the film. I am glad the character is only fictional and cannot hunt me down.
Chapman... wasn't the council scene where Lucy addresses her uh... heritage GREAT? Hilarious! I really think her performance was the standout in this movie, not Uma's.
The Chapman
10-10-2003, 03:19 PM
Uma's performance was less smarmy than the previews let on, so I was pleased with it. Like I said, great performances all around.
Found it interesting how much Japanese Lucy and Uma spoke in the film. Slight American accent, but better than most attempts that I have seen.
I know, I am pickey to a default.
I wouldn't know the difference between good or bad Japanese, so meant nothing to me, hehe.
But they did go out of their way to use Japanese in the film, which was nice.
The Chapman
10-10-2003, 04:05 PM
I think I meant to say I am pickey to a fault. Not default.
I was thinking about the Japanese they used. First off they used everything from teenager slang (the assassin girl) to yakuza gutteral, to old samurai film Shakespere Japanese. Anyway, I wonder how close Robert DeNiro was to capturing Italian. Even though he did not speak it, he spent two months immersing himself in Sicily and being trained by a dialect coach in Godfather Part II. If I were to guess, Uma and Lucy had dialect coaches, but also saw their lines written down. There is something about seeing another language in text that makes the American mind default to American accents and enunciation. Naturally. Though the Sofie girl, she spoke native Japanese, that's for sure.
Anyway, pickey point.
When Uma awakes in the hospital, how did she know it had been four years?
And lastly, I would like to point out the use of music. It works so well with the feel of the film. How the music suddenly stops when Uma gets to the truck in the parking garage, the ballad played when Uma and Sonny Chiba are talking swords, Zamfir, master of the pan flute playing near the end. THough, I guess QT does that in all his films. Though he did it really well in this one. It really helped make the film.
Music is by far the best thing he does in this movie. He uses it the way you might expect PT Anderson to use it actually... if PT Anderson were in the business of making hyper-gorey, hyper-violent parodies of old Kung Fu movies that is.
The Chapman
10-10-2003, 05:05 PM
From your review:
Japan and the trappings associated with it are an eye popping place to film and a great catalyst for stunning cinematography.
Though there really isn't much of Tokyo shown. All fo the shots from the plane are models of a city. Though fun fact: the street that Uma rides the motorcycle down with all the neon is the same street that Bill Murray is riding up in the opening of Lost in Translation.
Another PT Anderson-like moment: When Uma is changing in the restroom of the restaurant, the camera pans back to the main hall and follows Sofie back into the restroom. One complete shot.
Now that I think about it, that is also a QT trademark.
The film doesn't take place in Tokyo anyway right? Or am I forgetting? Didn't it take place in a different Japanese city?
My real opinion on this is that I think this will be a lot better movie when the two parts are combined. It'll solve some of the lack of character development that you get with it only as a half.
ReservoirSean
10-10-2003, 07:17 PM
Originally posted by The Chapman
When Uma awakes in the hospital, how did she know it had been four years?
her hands. much like a tree, i guess the lines on your hand tell age. that's why there was a close up of her hands at one point and she was looking at them.
anyways, I joygasmed through much of the movie. The first little while you could tell Tarantino went out of his way to make this have a true Kung-Fu feel, from soundeffects, to cuts to music cues, etc...And the animation was just great, especially with Lui's revenge. Lot more homages in Volume 2 that I don't want to spoil for anyone...and the House of Blue Leaves fight was just awesome, just absolutely awesome, some of the stuff that went on was absolutely crazy. I just wish that part wasn't in Black and White:(
and I now can't wait for Volume 2, even if Tarantino already said this is the outburst of action for the two. Although I really want to see (DON'T READ IF YOU HAVEN'T READ THE SCRIPT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!):
the scenes where the bride is driven by Bill to train her fighting. That was definately my favorite part upon reading the script.
also, after watching this, I'm not sure if I see the whole part where The bride and (I think it was Elle) run around the neighbourhood ****ing shit up on the streets and in homes, happening.
(END)
I especially loved all the Sonny Chiba stuff in Volume 1.
ReservoirSean
10-10-2003, 07:18 PM
Originally posted by FilmHobbit
The film doesn't take place in Tokyo anyway right? Or am I forgetting? Didn't it take place in a different Japanese city?
Okinawa then Tokyo.
The Chapman
10-10-2003, 07:57 PM
Yeah, Sonny and the sword are in Okinawa, and the rest is in Tokyo. Did you not remember the cool little map that had the plane flying into Tokyo?
Geesh! With Lost in translation, this , and later The Last Samurai, American audiences are going to be Japaned out.
NotSoSecretAgent
10-10-2003, 10:30 PM
This was AWESOME.
But both Lost in Translation and Kill Bill do the best job of making Tokyo BEAUTIFUL of well... just about any movie I've ever seen. Good work there.
The big brawl... Burly Brawl? ;) Anyway, the big brawl was silly... with 88 guys attacking one at a time. Got a bit rediculous and like the rest of the movie, just totally silly. But was still fun.
Evil Dead Junkie
10-11-2003, 12:08 AM
You know its oddly flattering that the studio keeps sending little gnomes to go inside my head and read my thoughts and design movies for me personally, but its sorta frightening too.
ROCKED ****ING BALLS!!!!
I always knew you were nothing but a tool of the Hollywood elite Evil. ;) j/k
Come on now, be honest, isn't it a rediculously silly movie though? I mean I like it, but it really is just flat out silly. A parody of the genre. How can you really take it seriously?
Evil Dead Junkie
10-11-2003, 12:28 AM
It wasn't a parody it was the greatest ****ing homage I've ever seen. Look here's my view on the film. Anyone can enjoy it as film. They can enjoy the action, the story whatever.
BUT who have to be a true fan to really really get the film. Unless you know that The Sniper bullet going from the gun all the way to the brain is from Kite, Go Go's weapon is from Master of the Flying Guiltine, The sword break spank is from Lone Wolf and Cub at the River Styx, The Jump Suit is from The Game of Death, that Sonny Chiba is just doing a riff on his role in Shadow Warriors, and a billion other references, your not getting the full enjoyment of the film.
In the end its a film for hardcore fans (ie me). If you're not a fan who can still like it, hell even love it. But you're not going to get the full monty like a hardcore Eastren Cinema fan is.
And unless you're a huge ****ing Brady Bunch fan you won't get every little joke and reference in the Brady Bunch movie. Does that make it a homage???
Just because Tarantino goes out of his way to make his movie so that it caters most strongly to the 1 percent of the population who happens to have seen every film he has does not make it an homage. Making an homage implies a certain amount of reverance for whatever it is that you are paying tribute to. I saw no reverance. Throwing in as many inside "easter eggs" as you possibly can doesn't figure into it.
Evil Dead Junkie
10-11-2003, 12:46 AM
That's because the genre is reverent. HE'S NOT MAKING A ****ING MERCHANT IVORY FILM!!! HE'S MAKING A SHAW BROTHERS FILM. THEIR IS NO REVERANCE AT ALL!!! I'VE SEEN KUNGFU GORILLAS DO YOU HEAR ME KUNG FU GORILLAS!!!!!
It wouldn't be homage if he DID put reverance in the film.
I'd answer that post, but it honestly makes no sense. None Evil. You've devolved into a slavering fanboy. Look at what Tarantino has done to you!!! LOOK!!!
Get this man a towel or an old sock or something.
masterthes
10-11-2003, 10:34 PM
After seeing this movie, Tarantino has redeemed himself in my eyes. I don't remember how old I was when I saw Pulp Fiction, but after seeing it, I totally hated it and I vowed to never see a Tarantino movie as long as I lived, and then I saw the KB trailer.
This movie had to be probably the most violent movie I had ever seen, but it was so godamned cool. I laughed my butt off when they said Revenge is a dish best served cold was a Klingon proverb. So good. I have one complaint though
Wasn't this movie supposed to be 3 hours long? Hell, it wasn't even a complete 2 hours. Did I miss something? I left when the credits rolled, so please don't tell me the movie continued after the credits. I think after having seen this, I'll have to give Pulp Fiction another try. One more question, was that Sadako as Gogo?
3 hours??
You realize this is only part one right Masterthes?
masterthes
10-11-2003, 10:48 PM
Was I misinformed or weren't both parts supposed to equal 6 hours long?
NotSoSecretAgent
10-11-2003, 11:05 PM
You were misinformed. They equal 3 hours in total.
masterthes
10-11-2003, 11:42 PM
Oh, then why the hell are they making it 2 films? Tarantino is definitely a whore :lol
NotSoSecretAgent
10-12-2003, 01:09 AM
I imagine three hours of over-the-top, gory Kung Fu would get a bit tiring. I liked the splitting here a lot more than say the Matrix sequels.
Doesn't the total running time of both films equal 3 1/2 hours approximately?
On IMDB it lists volume 1 as 110 minutes, and volume 2 as 94 minutes. I'm not trying to nitpick or anything, just curious if that is the wrong information..
ReservoirSean
10-12-2003, 02:33 AM
Is there a different cut in Canada than the States?
I ask this because I'm watching Hot Ticket and they were talking about Kill Bill and one of the scenes they showed was when *SPOILERS AHEAD*
The Bride was out training with Pai Mei. I know they showed that in the original trailer, but that was when it was all one movie.
END SPOILERS
so, was that in the american cut?
Oh right.. I read something once about Tarantino making about 5 or 6 different versions for different countries. I wonder if that ever happened, and which one has the least action. :lol
Awesome, awesome, awesome, awesome film!! I loved it. Going to see it again with my girlfriend in 10 minutes!:D
masterthes
10-12-2003, 12:37 PM
Oh yeah, there's a good movie to share with the one you love. Bringing people closer together through violence :D
ReservoirSean
10-12-2003, 05:20 PM
heading out in about an hour to see it again!
God I sound like an old curmudgeon but the violence was too much for me. Gratuitous blood and slicin and dicin was way over the top. All of Tarantino's movies have violence but they are interspersed with wonderful dialogue. All we get here is over the top violence and none of the witty dialogue. Music is still great and like Chap said, Chiba steals every scene he's in. I'm hoping that Vol 2 will redeem this for me. I didn't hate it...I just felt myself looking away during the huge fight scene.
Reservoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction are light years ahead of this. But if gore, blood, and violence is your thang then I'm sure you will like it. I just am not a big fan of it. To each his own.
Evil Dead Junkie
10-12-2003, 06:22 PM
The Violence didn't bug me it was too stylized. But the Buck **** scene did bug me, not so much because of the violence, but it did get under my skin.
Didn't stop me from seeing it 3 times this weekend of course:D
This is not a good girlfriend movie.
When Liu got scalped she just started glaring at me and didn't stop until we left...oops :lol
Cogito
10-12-2003, 06:27 PM
Whoa!
That's my review, just there. One word.
I'd forgotten about matinees, them things rule. Barely a soul in the theatre, great stuff.
This is definitely a great movie. I really see what EDJ is getting at--in fact, I said exactly this to myself, that if I'd seen all those flicks that Tarrentino are so fond of, I'd probably see a helluva lot of cool connections... But then again, the fact that I didn't make those connections, never stopped me from enjoying what was a truly awesome flick.
Great works have many layers: Shakespeare's work was basically just banale soap-operas on the surface, for the enjoyment of the uneducated masses, but there is great depth to it, and that has kept it alive all these years. Same thing for music or visual art.
Now, although it may be true that someone who limits themselves to interpreting Shakespeare purely on the soap-opera level, are missing out... But they are less the fool, than the supposed intellectual, who does understand the deeper meanings of his work, while deriding those who don't...
!
Having said that, I wouldn't mind seeing some of those wacky flicks that inspired Quentin, now...
That she could know, from her hands, that she'd been under for four years, that was the impression I got from the movie also--and I don't understand exactly how that could be.
I loved the black and white sequence. And the anime. And the music, especially the music.
The only thing I could possibly object to, is not the movie itself, but the comment Tarrentino made, about Kill Bill... He bragged that it was better than The Matrix. He didn't say exactly how, but the fact that it would be a Huge Monster Hit, and cost less to produce, was definitely a factor. He made it sound as if having a complex, "clever" plot in a movie; having any profound, religious, philosophical aspirations, that isn't something a movie maker should bother with... That, I do object to.
I think his movies are great, and Kill Bill is fantastic. And I wouldn't want him to start making The Matrix, or Citizen Kane, I want him to continue doing what he does best, that's totally cool. I wouldn't even want to say that his fun flicks have less value, than those that have more profound aspirations. But I sure as hell can't accept the stance, that they have less value than his purely-for-fun flicks.
Great job, good stuff.
I wasn't a big fan of the child seeing Uma having killed her mother. That bugged me.
To be fair, i should wait til I see Vol 2. I do like homages. And...I bet the end of the movie is a big payoff. Maybe it was just my mood but the violence bugged me. Then again, knifings and such have always bugged me...eh dunno why.
The movie itself seemed pretty good it was just the violence that distracted me.
I assume that was Bill as one of the anime characters in that scene. Weird that Cottonmouth (or whoever Lucy was) would be working for one of the people who killed her parents; I guess she didn't realize it was him since she was under the bed.
Cogito
10-12-2003, 07:24 PM
Heh, I kinda figure the extreme violence as an integral part of the movie in its own right...
And since Cottonmouth saw her parents die, it is just a cool way to show history repeating itself, that Copperhead's daughter experiences the same thing -- in its own right, this would probably be very typical for the genre, as a sequel builder.
I just realized, that I haven't felt this way about a movie, since I first saw Scarface... I was so blown away by the violence in that flick -- the chainsaw, of course, and the grand "Say hello to my little friend"-finale. I wasn't quite as blown away this time, cos I've just seen so much more violence since then... But it was kinda similar.
One cool thing, I saw the flick with a buddy who has a severe addiction to sharp and pointy things. He's got drawers full of knives and daggers and stillettos and spiky evil things, and walls covered with samurai swords, viking swords, claymores, just about every damn weapons (real or fantasy) that has every been thought up... He's normally very quiet during movies, but when the scene showed Uma walking into the room with all them katanas on the wall, he kinda gasped, heheh. Very cool.
masterthes
10-12-2003, 07:51 PM
I'm going to have to disagree with you Matt about Bill helping to kill Liu's parents, because I think she would remember him.
Evil Dead Junkie
10-12-2003, 08:04 PM
Bill didn't kill Liu's parents. Japanese Yakuza is like Italian Mafia it's an exclusive club. Bill just sorta runs a freelance hit squad.
PS. Hey Cogs if you really do want to check out some of those films I have some recommendations.
Samurai Flicks:
-Lone Wolf and Cub Series. (Homage in Kill Bill)
-Zaitochi
Kung Fu Flicks "Serious"
-Once Upon a Time in China Series
-Street Fighter (Sonny Chiba Movie)
-Game of Death (Homage in Kill Bill)
Kung Fu Flicks "Cheesy Ass Fun"
-Riki-O: The story of Riki (Homage in Kill Bill)
-Master of the Flying Guiltione (Homage in Kill Bill)
-Shaolin Invincibles
-Legend of the Swordsman (The ****ing Strangest Film I've ever seen)
Anime
-Kite(Homage in Kill Bill)
-Cowboy Bebop (Homage in Kill Bill)
-Ninja Scroll
-Perfect Blue
This would be a good primer. I didn't list many Samuri Flicks cause they are HARD to find. But the Lone Wolf and Cub Series are the best films on the list and More then worth the effort to find.
okay one of the characters in the anime has the same ring on that Bill does. Not the main guy who gets killed but the other guy. It looked pretty obvious.
Bordick
10-12-2003, 10:10 PM
The split is good. And the QT continuity jumbling works, it would suck if the Vivica Death was at the end. I wouldn't go by the imdb running times, they're never that really accurate, plus there's some time for QT to cut & paste and tamper before Vol.2 comes out. It is anmore of an homage than a parody, parodies look for the laughs, this is not a comedy. You laugh because of the violence, like when Hannibal Lector sets up Ray Liotta to eat his own brain. Laughter is soothing to escape the horror.
I wouldn't necessarily compare this to QT's others can single them out as better, they're just different. Like Back to the Future is different from Forrest Gump. It's just different. The others relied and catchy dialogue all through out to tell the story and move it forward with bits of action in between. This was non-verbally driven where the action came first. Totally different from the others.
Originally posted by Bordick
This was non-verbally driven where the action came first. Totally different from the others.
In other words no story *cough*
Sorry, I like this movie a lot, but have to call a pause to all the slobbering on Tarantino's ass.
Kill Bill 1 is just a collection of cool action sequences loosely tied together and very out of order. That does NOT a cinematic masterpiece make. When any other action director does that you guys jump all over him and beat the hell out of the movie. For some reason it is genius when Tarantino does it just because he mixes in a bunch of geekboy film references.
Since I've read the script and know what happens, I'm almost CERTAIN Volume 2 is going to improve my opinion of Volume 1 in this respect and in many others.... but for now I can only look at Volume 1 and by itself it is an incomplete and thinly constructed movie.
ReservoirSean
10-12-2003, 10:17 PM
I would like to add to EDJ's list with some films that QT himself has mentioned:
Intimate Confessions of a Chinese Courtesan
Rolling Thunder
Coffy
Assault on Precinct 13
They Call Her One Eye (aka Thriller...Elle Driver was based from this)
Five Fingers of Death
Bonnie Parker Story
Master of the Flying Guillotine (GoGo's weapon of choice)
Game of Death
Vengence
36th Chamber of Shoalin
Originally posted by Matt UGA
The movie itself seemed pretty good it was just the violence that distracted me.
This movie IS violence though. I mean there isn't much story, character development, or dialogue. Just violence. Violence after violence.
For me, it didn't bother me because even though it is almost OVERLY violent, it is rediculous amounts of violence and rediculous amounts of blood to the point it is totally unrealistic and just plain dumb and silly. Every bit as dumb and silly as Wiley Coyote getting an anvil dropped on his head. For that reason it didn't bother me nearly as much as I expected it to.
ReservoirSean
10-12-2003, 10:20 PM
Originally posted by FilmHobbit
Since I've read the script and know what happens, I'm almost CERTAIN Volume 2 is going to improve my opinion of Volume 1 in this respect and in many others.... but for now I can only look at Volume 1 and by itself it is an incomplete and thinly constructed movie.
same here, IMO from what was left out, the best is yet to come...I also can't seem to figure out how there will be much much less violence.
I mean, nothing else topped the House of Blue Leaves in violence, but there is still loads of action to go around!
Bordick
10-12-2003, 10:21 PM
I'm not kissing his ass at all, I'm just siting differences. This has a story but most of the dialogue that drives it forward is Voice Over, never before done in a QT flick. I'm not saying he's a cinema god for incorparating things here and there blah blah blah. I don't get the references, not a god damn one. the one I did get were the Kato masks, but they were referred to as Kato Masks. It was ok. I'm in no way saying it's pure cinematice brilliance and blah blah blah.
ReservoirSean
10-12-2003, 10:22 PM
Originally posted by FilmHobbit
For me, it didn't bother me because even though it is almost OVERLY violent, it is rediculous amounts of violence and rediculous amounts of blood to the point it is totally unrealistic and just plain dumb and silly.
yeah, that was purposely done to make it much like an old Kung-Fu movie. I mean, when O-Ren cut off the guys head, I highly doubt they accidently overlooked the highly obvious streams of blood! :lol
Originally posted by ReservoirSean
I mean, when O-Ren cut off the guys head, I highly doubt they accidently overlooked the highly obvious streams of blood! :lol
I'd swear they ACTUALLY used a sprinkler sound effect in that scene.
ReservoirSean
10-12-2003, 10:26 PM
Originally posted by Evil Dead Junkie
This is not a good girlfriend movie.
actually, I just came back from my 2nd viewing of this and it was with a girl and she loved it. :D
Bordick
10-12-2003, 10:28 PM
the same over flowing blood splatters were in Freddy vs. Jason, I didn't hear anyone bitch about that. But it was unique for this. When Jackie CHan takes on a room full of guys they're all in pain anfd holding their nuts or something. Having it be a slaughter adds effect to the given situation and builds to the determination of Uma's character.
Originally posted by Bordick
Having it be a slaughter adds effect to the given situation and builds to the determination of Uma's character.
I don't agree with that at all. In no way do I see how that is true. It simply adds to the amount of people who will be talking about the movie... because gore = fanboys, it doesn't do much else. Other than that, because it is so far over the top, it adds humor.
the same over flowing blood splatters were in Freddy vs. Jason, I didn't hear anyone bitch about that.
I think it is more plentiful here though. I mean in one scene we're talking 88 guys with hacked off limbs!! No comparison.
Bordick using Freddy vs Jason to backup an argument is never good.
I think I might see it again. I was in a bummed kind of mood. The wife and my oldest daughter have been hanging out in Crevette-ville (Tampa) with her friend. They went to Disney World, while I worked and watched Lindsay. I've been all by my lonesome...
Don't worry my mom watched Lindsay while i saw Kill Bill, lol
Bordick
10-12-2003, 10:34 PM
Humour for the horrific, that's why people laughed in that last scene in Hannibal. The truth is too horrifying we have to laugh, it's a defence mechanism. It would be purpously comedic if everytime a limb got gut off, some one would make a funny face or something.
Bordick
10-12-2003, 10:35 PM
Bordick using Freddy vs Jason to backup an argument is never good.
It wasn't a backup argument I was trying to make a point
ReservoirSean
10-12-2003, 10:49 PM
Originally posted by FilmHobbit
I think it is more plentiful here though. I mean in one scene we're talking 88 guys with hacked off limbs!! No comparison.
apperently, if you combined the blood used in Volume 1 and Volume 2, there was 450 Gallons of fake blood.
Evil Dead Junkie
10-13-2003, 12:09 AM
Resivour Sean Thanks for remembering Master of the Flying Guillotine. I can't believe I missed it. I cheered when I saw that Go Go was using it (albietly an extremely modified version).
If anyone wants to get a handle on what QT is trying to do here go see Master of the Flying Guillotine.
I also want to add Master of the Five Deadly Venoms. THAT is Kungfu.
PS. Matt I just got back from my third viewing. It is a similar ring, but its not the same.
Bordick
10-13-2003, 12:19 AM
I'd have to say that some pretty decent trailers were attached at my theatre.
In order(from memory):
Lord of The Rings: The Return of the King
The Matrix Revolutions
Bad Santa
Resident Evil: Apocalypse
Scary Movie 3 (which had the odd "october 3" at the end?)
Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World
NotSoSecretAgent
10-13-2003, 12:29 AM
We didn't get Bad Santa or Matrix Revolutions.
I want to see the Bad Santa trailer.
I haven't seen the Revolutions one in theatres yet. I'm sure I will soon.
I saw the Return of the King one. Looks good. I was surprised how many people clapped for this. I mean, I'm not saying it doesn't deserve it, it just caught me off guard.
Scary Movie 3 looks like crap.
I've seen the Master and Commander trailer so many times it's irritating now.
Evil Dead Junkie
10-13-2003, 12:34 AM
We Got Revolutions, Return, and Scary Movie 3, God that don't look good.
But I have to admit I'll probably see it just so I can see Leslie Neilson on Screen again.
Originally posted by NotSoSecretAgent
I saw the Return of the King one. Looks good. I was surprised how many people clapped for this. I mean, I'm not saying it doesn't deserve it, it just caught me off guard.
In my showing we had the Revolutions one... and people clapped like CRAZY for that when it started. To me, THAT was weird, because the whole Matrix franchise has been getting a HORRIBLE rap in the media about how bad it is and what a horrible dissapointment it is. Every comedian on the planet is using it as the punchline in jokes about things that are dissapointing.
Evil Dead Junkie
10-13-2003, 12:46 AM
The Thing is I think Matrix Reloaded has kinda gotten the reverse of backlash. As time has passed people have become more forgiving towards it. I think. And while plenty of talentless standup comics are using it as fodder, Rotten Tomatoes has it at like 80% and IMDB has it somewhere around that score.
Hell even Fat Harry has managed to say some good things about it and it was his fat ass that started this whole ****ing crusade.
ReservoirSean
10-13-2003, 12:49 AM
we got:
The Punisher
Matrix Revolutions
Master of Command(or whatever)
The Alamo
21 Grams
I've been saying all along that negativity towards Reloaded had more to do with it not being what we expected and less to do with whether or not it was a good movie... so maybe you are right, maybe that is wearing off now in the minds of moviegoers at least if not in the minds of the unforgiving media. I mean Reloaded is NOT perfect nor is it nearly as good as the original which was simply GROUNDBREAKING and AMAZING. But it is still very good.
For both times that I saw Kill Bill, we got these previews:
(in the order that I remember seeing them),
Master and Commander
The Matrix Revolutions
Scary Movie 3
The Lord of the Rings : The Return of the King
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
Bad Santa
I think that was it.. I was very, very happy to see the Revolutions and ROTK trailers both in front of one movie, plus Bad Santa looks pretty damn hilarious.
As far as Reloaded goes, I am one of the few people that really did enjoy it. After all, it was basically only half of a movie..people can't seem to get that through their heads. They say it didn't have much of a story, well it did have story, but they were just giving us loads of action (which a lot of us wanted more than story), then more of the story should be unveiled at Revolutions. As for the action in Reloaded, sure the Neo vs. Smith's scene used a bit too much CGI, but I still enjoyed it nonetheless. I really didn't have a problem with Reloaded like everyone else seemed to have. That's just me, though.
Bordick
10-13-2003, 03:30 PM
I'm not bad mouthing Reloaded at all, I'm just miffed at EDJ saying that a prerequisite to being a movie buff means creaming your pants at the end of that chase scene. I didn't. Only because I personally felt that flying thing was a bit of a cop out. THat's just me. And because I don't react a certain way to one movie I'm not a movie buff. That's what the **** I'm getting at.
Evil Dead Junkie
10-13-2003, 04:39 PM
Originally posted by Bordick
I'm not bad mouthing Reloaded at all, I'm just miffed at EDJ saying that a prerequisite to being a movie buff means creaming your pants at the end of that chase scene. I didn't. Only because I personally felt that flying thing was a bit of a cop out. THat's just me. And because I don't react a certain way to one movie I'm not a movie buff. That's what the **** I'm getting at.
Wrong Thread ;)
Bordick
10-13-2003, 07:20 PM
Originally posted by Evil Dead Junkie
Wrong Thread ;)
Oh yeah, woops. :D
Cogito
10-13-2003, 08:24 PM
Looking back at the flick, a day later, it strikes me as less magnificent... Someone asked me about it, and I said it was "Very Tarentino. Tarentino to the max, very violent."
What did Pulp have?
- It was cool and hip.
- It had a completely superior cast. Jackson and Travolta were magic. Ving Rhames was fantastic, as was Tim Roth. Bruce Willis' role was perfect, and Cristopher Walken was just utterly perfect. Finally, Eric Stoltz (the heroin dealer) is a relative unknown, but he's great also.
- It had quotable dialogue up the jin-jang.
- It was a complete movie, with a proper story-line.
What did Reservoir Dogs have?
- It was cool and hip also.
- It had an amazing cast, for such a small-time director. Lawrence Tierney was perfect, and I know he was impossible to work with, so kudos to Tarentino for making use of the guy. Anyone using Steve Buscemi (who also got a tiny cameo as Buddy Holly in Pulp) gets a thumbs up from me -- likewise for Tim Roth (although he nearly didn't hire him, mind you!) and Harvey Keitel. Michael Madsen did a fantastic job also -- I can't hear that song anymore, without seeing him dancing, about to cut that cop up...
- It too, had some very good dialogue.
- It was raw, proper indie-style, and managed to look like a proper movie, with very few resources -- nearly like a stageplay.
What did Jackie Brown have?
- Nothing much, really. I thought it was okay, but that was mostly due to Jackson. De Nero just didn't fit in properly; it was as if Tarentino just didn't know what to do, with such a big star, or something... There wasn't much dialogue, plot, things going on.
What did Kill Bill v.1 have?
- Lots of nods-of-the-hat to old kung-fu flicks.
- Lots of very well choreographed violence.
That's about it...
So, I'm thinking, in retrospect, maybe I'll think less of Kill Bill, as time goes by? Dunno.
But I'm thinking that maybe Tarentino isn't really a very innovative director. All he does, is to do again, what others have done before. It's like he just does remakes -- only he remakes parts of many movies, instead of one complete movie, you know?
Evil Dead Junkie
10-13-2003, 08:39 PM
I've gotta disagree with you on Jackie Brown. Its got great Dialouge, and one of the most tender and human love stories I've ever seen. Real chemistry between all the players, good Micheal Keaton, and I think DeNiro did great, showing how Nervous and unsure Louis was virtually around the clock after being out of society for so long.
Col. Kurtz
10-13-2003, 09:57 PM
Agreed. Jackie Brown was cool and hip, too.
Taln Hess
10-13-2003, 10:02 PM
Well, I've gotta side with Matt, probably even more extreme. I have really liked some of Tarantino's flicks in the past. To me Reservoir Dogs is very theatrical - almost Shakespearean in fact, with most of the violence happening off screen - we see the results, but not the actions themselves. Pulp Fiction shows more less then scrupulous characters, but also tells a redemptive tale with Jules, which I think is what drew the critics to the movie. Jackie Brown never caught my attention.
With Kill Bill though, Tarantino proves he's a one note singer. It's the same genre as all his other films, albeit told different stylistically. They are all crime stories. The names change, and the personal quirks change, but they are all about the same bad people reacting to other bad people. In Kill Bill there is no redemption (so far), only revenge. It's a weak story. I know this is his first attempt at an honest to god "action" flick, with the rest of his films considered dramas, but I can't believe how far behind he left the story in order to have some cool action sequences.
And the action sequences are cool, don't get me wrong. When Go-Go fell down with that board suspending from her head I cracked up - audibly. I cheered the cool fights, boo-ed the bad bad guys, and laughed in the right places, but all along I knew I was being played - being manipulated into those reactions. There were no suprises in the movie... save the very end which was a cool kicker for me. All in all I enjoyed Kill Bill, but was dissapointed by the direction, offering nothing really new other then the same type story Tarantion has told previously.
Bordick
10-13-2003, 11:34 PM
Originally posted by Taln Hess
To me Reservoir Dogs is very theatrical - almost Shakespearean in fact, with most of the violence happening off screen - we see the results, but not the actions themselves.
That dude's ear was more then eluded to
Taln Hess
10-14-2003, 08:19 AM
That dude's ear was more then eluded to But the actual dismemberment was done off screen. That was a conscious decision. Even low budget it could have been done fairly well on screen, but the camera specifically moves away from that with nothing on the screen while that's going on.
yeah only the special edition dvd can you see the ear being sliced off (deleted scenes)
Bordick
10-14-2003, 08:51 AM
ooo, getting technical are we? :moon
Taln Hess
10-14-2003, 09:02 AM
yeah only the special edition dvd can you see the ear being sliced off (deleted scenes) Exactly why I didn't purchase the Special Edition - to me this is a more grevious sin then Greedo firing first.
ooo, getting technical are we? Don't make me spank you with the flat of my sword.
Evil Dead Junkie
10-14-2003, 12:27 PM
They don't actually edit it into the movie ala Star Wars. The two alternate ear takes are just deleted scenes.
The film itself is untouched.
Taln Hess
10-14-2003, 01:11 PM
Oh! Good to know. Someone I know gave me the impression it was edited back in.
I still have my older DVD version though. No need to double dip. :)
Evil Dead Junkie
10-14-2003, 01:14 PM
You might be suprised actually. Its one of the best titles I own, great extra's. : )
I know the feeling though, the only reason I didn't feel ripped off by the True Romance Double Dip was the great QT commentary.
Bordick
10-14-2003, 01:38 PM
Resevior Dogs: Special Edition is the biggest jip in the planet, All over the box it's like "2-disc set", meanwhile disc 1 has the movie and the features, but disc 2 has the exact same features, but with a full screen version of the flick.....rip-off
There were all kinds of releases of Reservoir Dogs here, I almost bought the "Mr. Pink Edition", just for the name of it.
Bordick
10-14-2003, 01:51 PM
they had different collector cases, but were all the same. They had Mr. Pink, Mr. Blonde, Mr. White, Mr. Orange, and Mr. Brown. All it was was a cardboard casing around the keep case. Each edition was identiical
That's poor, I always through these cardboard thingies away anyway. What's the use of a box around a box?
Somehow we are no longer talking about Kill Bill Vol 1...
So here's my final thought on the film, and then I'm done with it for the rest of the year:
A lot of the people (everywhere, not necessarily here) drooling all over Kill Bill seem to be the people who are most ready to poo poo over the top action movies. The same people who are quick to call everything that comes out a ripoff.
But Kill Bill is nothing BUT a series of ripoffs put inside what is nothing but a mindless action movie. Somehow, Tarantino calling it a homage to all these old genres seems to make it all better... idunno. B
I enjoyed Kill Bill, it has some very cool stuff in it and I'm almost certain it would be a LOT better with Volume 2 as part of it, instead of spreading them into 2 movies, as such I expect to like it more after Volume 2. But it is not a groundbreaking, epic making, world changing movie, it is just a fairly decent mindless action movie with a lot of geek references lifted out of other better movies and plugged into it to artificially construct what will undoubtably be heralded as another Tarantino classic.
Evil Dead Junkie
10-14-2003, 02:49 PM
Resivor Dogs has Great Features!!!
Documentaries on Lawrence Turney, some great commentaries, Documentaries on about every important Noir figure, and advance, great interviews.
The only thing missing is Harvey Keitel. :(
did anybody notice the "red apple cigarettes" billboard in Kill Bill? That's the brand of cigarettes that Bruce Willis ordered in Pulp Fiction.
Evil Dead Junkie
10-14-2003, 03:17 PM
Someone smokes them in ever QT movie even Dusk Til Dawn and True Romance
Taln Hess
10-14-2003, 03:57 PM
But it is not a groundbreaking, epic making, world changing movie, it is just a fairly decent mindless action movie with a lot of geek references lifted out of other better movies and plugged into it to artificially construct what will undoubtably be heralded as another Tarantino classic. And thus hobbit has managed to break the Tarantino style down in one simple line.
Oh, except you forgot the part about out of date stylistic music. :)
Yeah but I LOVE that music. Best music in that movie. Could have been used in a movie with more substance to even better effect in fact. ;)
I'm sick of people not understanding why QT used over the top gore in Kill Bill.
go on intolerance, enlighten us... I have a feeling for what you'll say...but I'm waiting. But, I don't remember anybody saying he shouldn't have used it, but that some people said they don't like that much violence..
and if you can explain why their is no witty dialogue, I'm listenin'
Originally posted by Intolerance
I'm sick of people not understanding why QT used over the top gore in Kill Bill.
I'm sure he has some self agrandizing reason...
but I don't mind it because it is excessive to the point of being unrealistic and a little bit funny.
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