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crappertay
12-19-2003, 02:47 PM
The Freedom Tower to be build on WTC ground-zero has been chosen. You may remember a few months back we posted all the possible entries vying for the position.
Here's the "winning design;
http://i.cnn.net/cnn/interactive/us/0312/gallery.freedom.tower/02.ap.jpg
The tower will be 1776 feet tall, the tallest building in the world.
Freedom Tower is to rise 70 floors and be topped by wind-harvesting turbines that designers predict will provide 20 percent of the building's energy.
The tower's height of 1,776 feet, symbolic for the year of American independence, includes a 276-foot spire.
In addition, a broadcast antenna attached to the tower is to bring the structure's total height above 2,000 feet.
The torqued tower -- its east and west sides twist as they rise -- and the spire are meant to echo the Statue of Liberty in New York Harbor.
http://i.cnn.net/cnn/interactive/us/0312/gallery.freedom.tower/04.ap.jpg
Charles Gargano, the vice chairman of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, the transportation agency that built the original trade center and owns the 16-acre site, said the agency would occupy as much as a third of the building.
Gargano estimated the tower's construction would cost $1.5 billion, or $1 million per 500 square feet.
Besides the public lobby, two concourse levels will house retail stores and provide pedestrian access to mass transit.
More than 60 floors will contain office space, capped by an indoor observation deck, a restaurant above that, and event space on top.
Looks alright.
Excessive though.
B1ade Runner
12-19-2003, 03:02 PM
They really could have done better with this. I think the ultimate "**** you" could have been to rebuild the towers exactly as we remember them with one exception: there would be one more.
crappertay
12-19-2003, 03:07 PM
They coulda done much worse. Besides, compared to the other ideas, one of which looked like a giant rubik's cube.
one of the less "paint a bullseye on me and call me target practice" towers.
It is definently very modern and elegant looking... which also means it doesn't fit in with the rest of the skyline. heh.
Idunno. I'm of the opinion that nothing should have been there. It seems almost egotistical and overly prideful to build something even bigger there. I like Spike Lee's idea about the big columns of light as a reminder. That seems better to me.
But whatever. :)
Yulin
12-19-2003, 04:17 PM
Interesting idea, but the ammount of tax $ and pride that would be lost with just lights is probalby too much for the NYC Government to lose permanately. Not to mention the cost of rebuilding and what that'll do to the local economy.
Hayzen
12-19-2003, 04:55 PM
It seems almost egotistical and overly prideful to build something even bigger there.
Egotistical, I don't think so. Prideful, certainly, and even if it were both I see nothing wrong with it in this situation.
Cogito
12-19-2003, 08:29 PM
I think it's a GREAT design. I used to think that they should rebuild those two towers exactly as they were (I worked in them at one point), just to make the statement: "Your terrorist acts will have no effect."
But this building is even better. Me like.
crappertay
12-19-2003, 08:30 PM
Very neo-tech Blade Runner stylee.
Bordick
12-19-2003, 09:47 PM
No offense, but I think non-New Yorkers should just shut their yaps when it comes to this stuff. I'm NY born & bred. I'm territorialist, sue me. I been all over the WTC, above, below, inside, outside, and on top of the sum'bitch. This design is shit. Not because it's not the same, but look at the buildings surrounding it....that's totally an architectual rip-off of half of Chicago. **** Chicago!!!
Originally B1ade Runner
They really could have done better with this. I think the ultimate "**** you" could have been to rebuild the towers exactly as we remember them with one exception: there would be one more.
3 Towers? I don't know about that one. I was hoping for sort of new age kinda Two Towers, kinda like the one's they had in that Sean Connery/Catherine Zeta-Jones flick Entrapment
crappertay
12-19-2003, 09:51 PM
Ain't gonna get no kerazee Hong Kong architecture in NY. Not yet anyways. This is the first step in that direction though.
I have no opinion on whether it should or shouldn't be done. It is being done, so I just get on with commenting on the building itself.
actually bordick even new yorkers should shut up about it. It's privately owned right? he can do what he wants with it. The design will be fine. While architectually impressive, the old design was very blah.
B1ade Runner
12-20-2003, 01:35 AM
Blah? We had a giant ****ing skyscraper, and right next to it, the same ****ing building! New Yorkers can say whatever they want about. The rest of you have no say. Bordick's right. Trust me, I don't say that often.
Bordick
12-20-2003, 01:41 AM
Originally posted by B1ade Runner
New Yorkers can say whatever they want about. The rest of you have no say. Bordick's right. Trust me, I don't say that often.
HOLLA!
Let me clarify what I mean by "New Yorkers". By that I mean the people encompassing and living in the 5 buroughs of NYC and the suburbs surrounding. **** Up-state. Split that shit with Vermont, Pennsylvania, and Canada....It ain't the real New York :moon
B1ade Runner
12-20-2003, 01:50 AM
Originally posted by Bordick
Let me clarify what I mean by "New Yorkers". By that I mean the people encompassing and living in the 5 buroughs of NYC and the suburbs surrounding. **** Up-state. Split that shit with Vermont, Pennsylvania, and Canada....It ain't the real New York :moon
That's me. Here before you is a born and bred New Yorker. I was born here, and I have lived in Queens my whole life. I'm in Manhattan most of the time (especially these days), my grandmother took care of me in Brooklyn, and my pops was born in the Bronx. If only I had a link to Staten Island, I'd have all 5 buroughs covered.
Bordick
12-20-2003, 01:52 AM
I never doubted your "New Yorker" credentials
B1ade Runner
12-20-2003, 01:55 AM
I know, I'm just representin to the rest of the clan.
Bordick
12-20-2003, 01:56 AM
Originally posted by B1ade Runner
I know, I'm just representin to the rest of the clan.
ah..........HOLLA!
crappertay
12-20-2003, 05:31 AM
:rolleyes
Bordick
12-20-2003, 05:32 AM
Originally posted by Tay
:rolleyes
:moon
Originally posted by FilmHobbit
It is definently very modern and elegant looking... which also means it doesn't fit in with the rest of the skyline. heh.
Point of Order:
When the towers were originally designed, they did not fit in with the exsisting NYC skyline, what with Empire State, Chrysler and the Met Life(?) buildings being the prominent features of the skyline at the time. Change happens, it's one of the things that makes NYC one of the greatest cities in the world.
NYC is, and always be, the baddest of the bad when it comes to big cities, and they deserve to hold the title of "World's Tallest", not some po-dunk little city in Singapore.
I've only been to NYC twice, and I spent nearly all of that time in Manhatten (on the Broadway side of the park, whichever direction that is). My only ventures off of Manhatten wer to Liberty Island, and I think I was in Queens at some point, but I'm not too sure about that. Actually, we could figure it out if one of our New Yorkers knows where Webster Hall is... Anyway, the one thing I really loved about NY was the diversity of buildings and styles, just on Manhatten. Everything from the business district to Little Italy. Given the chance (and for enough money), I would gladly move to NYC...Great city...
crappertay
12-20-2003, 06:06 AM
They fear the change
Bordick
12-20-2003, 06:10 AM
Originally posted by Lord Link
I've only been to NYC twice, and I spent nearly all of that time in Manhatten (on the Broadway side of the park, whichever direction that is).
Upper West :D
Actually, we could figure it out if one of our New Yorkers knows where Webster Hall is.
11th Street between 3rd & 4th Avenue :D
I agree, it's I great place Link. I dig it, but maybe that's because I'm from here. Everywhere else I go, I look at it with a strange look in my eye, can't quite explain it.
Bordick
12-20-2003, 06:12 AM
Originally posted by Tay
They fear the change
It's not fear, its just gonna be wierd is all. A strange change. We got used to seeing them, now we're used to not seeing them, we just have to get used to wahtever goes there next. It's an adjustment period that'll take like a year and a half max.
crappertay
12-20-2003, 06:15 AM
Well to be fair, as mentioned, it's not the first time people will have feared the change.
I'm sure the first time the original towers went up people said exactly the same stuff.
Originally posted by Bordick
It's not fear, its just gonna be wierd is all.
My point exactly. The towers started out being considered an eyesore to the skyline of NY, but within a few years of completion , I doubt any NYer could have envisioned his/her city without them...
11th Street between 3rd & 4th Avenue
OK, so Manhatten...rgr that. Which means that there's still so much of that Island for me to explore... All of Lower Manhatten, and the East side... and I think I forgot to actually go to Wall Street... You know, all the touristy stuff. :p
Bordick
12-20-2003, 06:17 AM
Originally posted by Lord Link
OK, so Manhatten...rgr that. Which means that there's still so much of that Island for me to explore... All of Lower Manhatten, and the East side... and I think I forgot to actually go to Wall Street... You know, all the touristy stuff. :p
11th street & little Italy are in Lower Manhattan.
Bordick
12-20-2003, 06:18 AM
Originally posted by Tay
I'm sure the first time the original towers went up people said exactly the same stuff.
That was back in like.....what....'75.........I can't accurately describe the mindset of the average new yorker back then, simply because of my lack of age and wisdom back then :p
crappertay
12-20-2003, 06:25 AM
Call that an excuse? :p :lol
Bordick
12-20-2003, 06:29 AM
Originally posted by Tay
Call that an excuse? :p :lol
pretty much :lol
crappertay
12-20-2003, 06:33 AM
ok :D
fafhrd
12-21-2003, 10:58 PM
I'm not sure, but I think that the Port Authority bought out the lease to the WTC area, and swapped the Kennedy Airport lease with it, in exchange with the original private lease owners, in order to get this done.
Not sure if that deal was fully finalized though.
Fafhrd
Originally posted by Bordick
No offense, but I think non-New Yorkers should just shut their yaps when it comes to this stuff.
No offense but I'm probably about to say something that will offend you....
New York and LA control this country.
Not Washington. NY & LA. So if NY is going to run the country with its economic, media, and political power, even though it is a minority, then you kinda have to expect people who don't live there to have a view on what goes on there. Maybe they shouldn't... but people have opinions. Sometimes really stupid ones, but there you go. hehe.
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