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darkjedi73
09-19-2002, 06:57 PM
has anybody read A Game of Thrones by George R. R. Martin?
how is it?
(I'm reading it now, but I'm only a few pages into it)
Film Hobbit
09-20-2002, 10:35 AM
Have not. What kind of book is it? The title almost makes me think it's the sequel to "The Prince" by Machiavelli, but I'm sure that isn't the case :)
darkjedi73
09-20-2002, 04:07 PM
I think it's the first part of a fantasy trilogy (when I bought it there were two others: a sequel and a conclustion) It says on the top "The beloved fantasy saga begins", but I'd never heard of it either. What I've read is pretty good.
Alyanya
09-23-2002, 11:23 PM
Yes, this is a fantasy series based in part on the War of the Roses. Martin is an excellent writer and immensely readable. His tales will grab you right away and make you want to keep reading through to the end. I like the series, but there are two things to be especially forewarned about:
1. Main characters die left and right in these books. This is frustrating at times, and eventually becomes predictable because it occurs so frequently.
2. Each chapter is written from a different character's point of view. This took some getting used to, for me anyway. Some characters I enjoyed quite a bit while others I did not like at all.
Characterization is strong throughtout though, and the storyline is full of intrigue and plots within plots. Lots of battles and swordfighting, and a bit of magic(though still less than I might have prefered).
Book four, A Feast for Crows, comes out in April 2003. Six books are planned.
ArcticEmpress
12-05-2002, 05:36 AM
*bump*
Cogito
01-11-2003, 03:56 PM
I just started reading this one...
It's fantastic.
I'm no big fan of this genre, though. I read LOTR, and never having read anything like it, I was utterly amazed. And instantly hungry for more. First thing I found was Gormenghast, which was too heavy for me, and also I disliked that everything happened just inside a dang castle. That everyone were strapped down in crazy routines and rituals and suchlike feel very oppressive and dark -- as I said, very heavy.
Next thing, Wishshongs of Shannara, but that tale was so close to LOTR, I was pretty disgusted.
From those two series, I did learn one thing though: Tolkien had too much details for my taste -- or at least, he focused on details in areas that I didn't care about. Tolkien's work is custom-made for obsessive fanboi nerd culture.
First books I found after Tolkien that I liked, was Michael Moorecock's Elric series -- and basically anything else by him. He was still kinda weird and somewhat gloomy, but preferable to the simplistic world of Shannara though.
That's pretty much my background in this genre. But I'm always interested in trying it out, cos well, I think it CAN be a great genre.
And this Game of Throne truly is great. I spoke about it to a friend, who reads a ton of this stuff, and he had a few other books by the author. And then he went out and bought this book, which I promptly pilfered off him since he has just as many unread books as me <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">
What do I like about this book?
- The character development is great. There are all sort of types there; good, bad, and most important of all, characters that are neither, or both -- and you can't tell which. Like in real life, whether a person is good or bad, depends upon your point of view. One friend's friend is not necessarily one's own friend. The king has six children; he loves them all -- but the queen only loves five of them, because one is a bastard. She treats him like shit. The five other children treat him well; some love him, some are at worst just neutral to him. There's no black and white. Also, characters change in a realistic way.
Sorry to diss Tolkien again, but Bilbo and Frodo were hobbits who stay at home and never have any adventures, but then suddenly they have the world's destiny on their shoulders -- and it's just a given, that they will rise to the challenge, sorta. How predictable. So far in the book, I've seen one 13 year old girl who has spent her entire life being scared shitless by her conniving, sceming brother, get married away to the equivalent of Gjengis freakin' Khan, but then I've seen her gain self-esteme and strength. I can see where she might go from here -- but I still don't think it predictable; I mean, I never saw this coming -- but now that she has taken the first few steps, I can imagine... I've seen two sisters who although very different in characters, and not particularly close, at least they were never unkind to each others -- but events beyond their circumstances have created a rift in between them, and one of them, who is essentially a good person, might one day do something bad... Excellent. Another diss on Tolkien is of course the matter of female characters, which didn't exactly have a major part in his works... That was as much a sign of the times, as anything, but still, I'm no feminist, but I do notice it. Game of Thrones has the female characters do important things, but not in a silly, contrived way, that people sometimes do, to make a point. It flows naturally. The Tomboy who wants to play with swords is not a political statement. She's just who she is.
- The pacing is excellent. It does not linger excessively on any one character. In some books, I end up longing to skip ahead to read about an interesting character or situation -- not only because I'm so eager to learn what happened to that character, but because the current story has gotten uninterest. That's never the case here. It's one beautiful, interesting, facinating scene after the other.
- The hierachy of the courts, the social structure seems "real" or realistic. I'm a geek for this kinda stuff, in the sense that I want to know how an alehouse in a frozen northern land can serve ale if they have no vinyards, and are isolated, with no trade with countries that do. I want to know who collects the taxes, and decides how much taxes are owed. Do you know at what point in our real life history, postal service was introduced, and how messages were carried across long distances prior to it -- and how expensive it was, and thus who could afford it, let alone have access to it? I like this kinda detail.
Only complaints I can think of is, there are far too many characters to easily keep track of. There is an appendix that lists the major houses, but there are so many characters, that you'd kinda need an alphabetized list to keep track of them all.
In short, an excellent book so far -- about 1/3 through it.
DominationCalifornication
01-11-2003, 09:36 PM
Cogito, it's about time you got started on it. I recently gave the series to Bean for christmas, and can't wait to hear her thoughts on it. Hurry up baby! <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)">
Anyways, it's not the King that has the 6 children, it's the Kings Hand, that being Eddard Stark. Just wanted to clear that up. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"> The actual king, Robert Baraethon has three, with scattered bastards throughout the Seven Kingdoms. But I suppose you could call Ned The King of Winterfel, though they refer to it as the Lord.
As for the characters, I think they're all so defined and memorable that it's very easy to remember them all. I have the exact opposite of a problem with The Wheel of Time though. I mean, the prologue of book 10 introduces us to about 3 new ones. Is that necessary? After over 7000 pages of story already, you'd think there'd be enough. Anyways, if you can handle that sort of thing WoT is still pretty awesome... but A Song of Fire and Ice blows it away. I'm glad you're liking it so far and hope to talk to you about it on ICQ!
Cogito
01-12-2003, 04:33 PM
Yeah, I ment Stark of course -- I thought I'd seen him called a king by the folks in his region. I've not really seen a defined hierarchy of nobles anywhere.
But yeah, twas Dom that turned me on to this series, and I read extracts of it on Amazon, and NEARLY went out and bought it, but since I've got so many damn books laying around unread, I didn't, heheh. Luckily someone else bought it.
Reading a bit every day, it's excellent, never quits on you, very hard to put down.
I'm away from my normal computer for a bit, so wan't be on ICQ for a bit though.
Cogito
01-15-2003, 05:32 PM
OK finished the book; excellent book -- although it didn't have much of a climax, but I expected that, since it's such a series, and such an amazing slice-of-life type of tale.
Can't wait to get my hands on the next one.
Tyrion the dwarf is definitely a great character. I could see the dragon girl was gonna go places, but the circumstances around her, I never anticipated. In fact, there is VERY little that can be anticipated in this book, and I love this. I saw somewhere, that people complained about how some of the major characters in the story might die, and people didn't like this -- well boo ****in' hoo. This adds realism, and I love it.
I still find it a bit perplexing, the number of characters, the families, the unions between the clans etc. If it had been a lesser book, I'd really dislike this, but fact is, this is a superb book. Totally impressed.
I've gotten ICQ on this machine now, but I'm only online at random times.
Cogito
02-13-2003, 06:06 PM
I'm about 3/4 of the way through the second book: A Clash of Kings.
It's been mostly build-up so far, which has really taken a toll on my enthusiasm for the book <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/frown.gif ALT=":(">
There are battles, and fights, and this and that, but it's still all just a build-up -- you can basically tell that it's brewing up to a big thing, because of all the things that are taking place. And the characters are even more spread apart now, than in the first book.
Each chapter is written from the perspective of a different main character, just like in the first book. This is cool, but this time he's using cliff-hangers on occasion. I don't like that too much. Because then what you get is, you read something exciting, but then you have to stop reading about the exciting stuff, and instead read a bunch of fairly dull stuff before you get back to the exciting stuff again -- and by the time you get back to it, you end up forgetting about what was going on there.
Still enjoying it, but well -- those couple of things irk me a little.
Film Hobbit
02-13-2003, 06:10 PM
Sounds EXACTLY like the Wheel of Time actually. But not in a good way.
Maniacles
02-20-2003, 07:16 PM
Well, it's got the multiple characters and threads that wheel of time has, but it's done right. Story threads start merging later in the series, where as in wheel of time, they just keep splitting. GRRM doesn't use the different points of view to restart a thread so much as to point the camera at where the action is.
Basicly, if you took the detail of Wheel of time, and the same number of distinct threads and characters, but instead of just 1 or 2 story arcs (sets of continuous action until focus changes to a new character) that advance the plot per book per character, you had 10.
I.E. all the good parts of Jordan, and None of the drag...;)
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