Editorial: Microsoft Still Using Xbox 360 To Carry PS3

So many people continue to spread the lie that the 360 offers equal power as the PS3 for less money. For heaven's sake, the cell processor is much more poweful than the 360's processor.

blah blah blah ! same fanboys, same fighting. I don't understand why this fight!!?? I am a gamer and want to play good games. So, I need both (360,PS3). Stop just supporting one, support both. I am not a techee guy, so no technical stuff. MS is going to surpass console sales in this year no matter what PS3 do becoz of price. forget abt LIVE. who cares. Most of the games are offline and non hardcore. no need to go online. PS3 will also sales well becoz of Blu-Ray (ok also for games but for a kid to play BigPlanet to spent total $450 is too much, lets be realistic!!). So, all even. MS targeting the casual (see their bundles, u get the idea). Game Dev will work on both since both have same opportunities.
I am not a good informed person, can anyone help me abt this 2 question

1. Why sony advertise PS3 as a cheapest Blu-Ray player insteed of a gaming console??!! that means my uncle (non gamer) buy a PS3 and watch movies. how many people like this in this world ? I think many ! that means not all PS3 used as a console where all 360 used as a console 4 damm sure! is that ok ?

2. Why MS closing 1 party game Dev?? they r buying exclusivity! is that a good or bad idea?!! my thought its a very real time idea! Many small dev will have a chance to make a BIG game since MS can fund them. Economically, MS just using the party to make mages for them in cheap price they don't have to bear the dev them year after year which cost huge money. Say, if the games suck, they can switch others. what do you think !!??

Anyway, I love both of my consoles.

To PS3 owner: some of your facts are true but the picture your painting with these "said facts " are skewed by your passionate fanboyism for all things PS3, yes its true that Sony has a large in house development studio, but here's a fact you left out.....FACT: the majority of sonys in house 1st party developers were at 1 time 3rd party or 2nd party in some cases & sony bought them & made them 1st party ie: little big planet developer: media molecule, also the majority(keyword: majority) of sony's 1st party developers specialize in Japanese themed/style games that no longer capture the imaginations of the western audiences(US/UK) FACT#2: by way of MSN aggressive & savy/opportunistic business practices(LOL) they have effectively began to chip away at the PS3 in japan by securing the major eastern style RPG's that the east caters to, ie: Tales of Symphonia, Infinite Undiscovery, the Last Remnant, Star Ocean 4(exclusive lol), Final fantasy 13(lol), Tales of Vesperia, Blue Dragon, Lost Odessey, Culdcept Saga, Final Fantasy Online, on & on..Fact#3 360 WILL ALWAYS BE the lead development platform when it comes to western style games PERIOD, the western developers are making all the noise in gaming and they prefer PC architecture when in comes to developing games,(READ the plethora of interviews with western developers abt this very issue & you will see). FACT#4 Sony's bet on Blu-Ray & their dramatic shift to make the PS3 architecture so foreign & difficult to develop for was good ol arrogance & stubborness by a CO. who had forgot how it got where it was, that simple. FACT#5 ITS TOO LATE in this generation cyle for sony to make a run at the top spot, why? their game plan in flawed, there will be no price reduction when its needed most (where in a recession financially worldwide this is the report.) why cant sony drop price further you ask? cause there losing money all ready & still from the 1st price drop. FACT#6 XBOX LIVE is the 800 pound guerilla in the room, sony cant not match this even with home, this is the other reason the japanese gamers are starting to flock to 360 ...price, games, service(XBOX LIVE), & even bigger..community, the ease at which you socialize in & out of games , movies, etc with friends is unmatched. i could say more & give you more ...but nuff said

Thanks, Darkie.

I appreciate the sentiment.

I've noticed Sony fanboys are a bit more die-hard than Xbox fanboys. I guess they really, really do fear for the fate of the PS3.

Believe it or not, I actually prefer the PS3 over the 360, in terms of its longevity and hardware specs. But the so-so game selection and poor porting is something no one can ignore.

Sorry about the fanboys Will, when you write anything not so positive about the PS3, they come running to defend it and bash all who oppose the lord their god Sony, you were spot on with this article.

Instead of bashing him we should be taking note, and being glad MS brought it when they did, Sonys concentrating on bluray could of damn near killed gaming were it not for the 360.

PS3owner, get your facts right.

According to all independent worldwide sales figures, the 360 has sold 20 million (as of July 17th 2008), the PS3 14.4 million (as of June 30th) and the Wii 29.62 million. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Console_wars)

The 360 is clearly winning at the moment, but over the lifetime sales, the PS3 will probably be the winner.

blah blah blah ! same fanboys, same fighting. I don't understand why this fight!!?? I am a gamer and want to play good games. So, I need both (360,PS3). Stop just supporting one, support both. I am not a techee guy, so no technical stuff. MS is going to surpass console sales in this year no matter what PS3 do becoz of price. forget abt LIVE. who cares. Most of the games are offline and non hardcore. no need to go online. PS3 will also sales well becoz of Blu-Ray (ok also for games but for a kid to play BigPlanet to spent total $450 is too much, lets be realistic!!). So, all even. MS targeting the casual (see their bundles, u get the idea). Game Dev will work on both since both have same opportunities.
I am not a good informed person, can anyone help me abt this 2 question

1. Why sony advertise PS3 as a cheapest Blu-Ray player insteed of a gaming console??!! that means my uncle (non gamer) buy a PS3 and watch movies. how many people like this in this world ? I think many ! that means not all PS3 used as a console where all 360 used as a console 4 damm sure! is that ok ?

2. Why MS closing 1 party game Dev?? they r buying exclusivity! is that a good or bad idea?!! my thought its a very real time idea! Many small dev will have a chance to make a BIG game since MS can fund them. Economically, MS just using the party to make mages for them in cheap price they don't have to bear the dev them year after year which cost huge money. Say, if the games suck, they can switch others. what do you think !!??

Anyway, I love both of my consoles.

Sony wanted so badly to own the next DVD media format they put their gaming division on the sacrificial alter. Their greed and arrogance is why their seeing red. So Heavenly Sword & MGS4 used a whole Blu Ray disc, how did that work out for the developers? All that time and money invested and I doubt they broke even. After that how many do you think will want to invest in going down that road again? They could have launched with a separate SKU w/o Blu ray or offered a add on option like MS, but no they thought they could shove it down consumers throats. It would have made it harder to win the format war but they would have been able to keep all the goodies the gamers really wanted. A non Blu Ray unit not only could have launched at an attractive price, it would have urged more Dev's to work harder at understanding the Cell because of a larger install base. I personally didn't care then, nor do I now, about HD DVD or Blu Ray and having the option to say no thanks to something I don't need to play games is why I own the two other systems. I hope a little humble pie will remind Sony that gamers aren't lab test rats when they launch the PS4.

Tim, you're an idiot... you say you are a bit of a sony fan and say that blu ray isn't that good. LOL>> You wouldn't be able to watch HD movies without it and play all those crazy exclusive games without it. Did you know that games like Heavenly Sword and Metal Gear Solid took up a whole blu ray disc, thats 50 gigs numbnuts.

There are some valid point in this article. But there are also some crazy points as well. Let's see. Where do I start.

Exclusives. Yes. Xbox has gotten some PS3 exclusive titles. But didn't the same happen to Xbox Exclusives. Like Bioshock, Eternal Sonata and others. The reason why Xbox is getting these titles is because they are waiving LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS of cash infront of struggleling developers. How many true exclusives does Xbox have compared to Sony. I can quickly think of (the good ones now) Fable, GOW and Halo. Compared to LBP, MGS4, RFOM2, KillZone2, GT5, R&C, Uncharted. These are games that either have sold or will sell alot of games and possible move consoles as well.

The only reason why PS3 may look like it is riding "in the shadow of the Xbox 360" is because it had a full year lead in sales, marketing and developing. The same would be said if it where the other way around. If the PS3 came out before the Xbox360, you Xbox Fan boys would be saying that "it's not fair to compare developments and sales because we had they had years head start."

So, please. Try to be a true journalist and be somewhat fair and unbias about your articles. All you are trying to do is generate negetaive PS3 propaganda to drive people to your site. When infact all you are doing is showing the world how bias and unprofessional you are.

This article clearly shows the author's lack of knowledge about the video game industry. It's as if it was written from the perspective of a casual gamer.

Such a huge amount of bullshit. XD

Sony really shoulf just make a gaming console instead of a home entertainment system. Iown all consoles and am a bit of a sony fan, but I can't justify why you would spen so much on a console that only has a bluray player but is $300 more expensive. Bluray really isn't that good.

It does make financial sense in these cash and credit strapped times to go for the cheaper option and the faster buck (Xbox 360) rather than taking time and resources to leverage the greater power of the PS3 and it's cell. It is true that Sony presented develoeprs with a real challenge. But that's what progress and innovation is about. Progress was never easy.
The inability or unwillingness of some developers to fully commit to fully exploiting the PS3 architecture is our loss. Where developers have made the effort, there is more than enough evidence to show the PS3 versions of many multi-platform games have not only more content but better quality graphics and game play. Take the PS3 versions of FFXIII and eternal sonata to name but a few. The scope and quality of MGS4 and Resistance 2 could never be duplicated on a single disc for Xbox 360. Same goes for the PS3 exclusives of the new FFXIII series.
It is inaccurate and unbalanced to use a financially driven model of developer behaviour to compare the Xbox 360 and PS3. There is a demand out there for quality and innovation and Sony have brought that to the Gaming/Home Entertainment market. Which is why we are going for a second PS3 for all the non-game related services it offers: A low cost, comprehensive High Definition media library, web browser and DVD/Blu-Ray player that's easilu expandable with standard hard drives, usb and even Linux if ever we needed it.

This makes since the money being made on the X360 version can be considered as funding to survive the current situation. Yet this article is still ignoring the fact that even though TGS 2008 is still going on, not all the information from the show has been released yet. Personally I like to have one big press conference, yet this year Sony is spreading their conference and release annoucements over three days.

Our english sites need to read more Japanese sites to be more informed.

http://www.jp.playstation.com/tgs2008/tgstv/index.html

as usual: William Usher -

We can rely on you to put yr foot in yr mouth yet AGAIN!! what are u on about?? 'Xbox 360 having to carry the PS3, in regards to third-party support.' Nonesense man, all the top devs from the top companies (Blizzard, R*, EA, Ubisoft) have all agreed and said: for multi-platform games they are developing for the PS3 first and then the 360. So how is the 360 carrying the PS3?? Sounds like the other way around to me. And yeah of course the ports are crap the devs dont give a shit what it looks like, cuz they're making money ANYWAYS!! All you need to look at are the games that have come out that are multiplatform - Take GTAIV for instance, its MUCH better on the PS3 the guys from R* agree and said it themselves, even the xbox boys know it is! Look at Soul calibur, it's disgusting on the 360!! And as for exclusives?? Give me a break, you cannot even compare the two. Xbox exclusives are nothing - galo and gears, 2 games so overhyped it makes people sick. As far as exclusives go, the 360 cant match the PS3. Just look at the exclusives that are coming out this year, I dont think ANYONE can argue who has the superior exclusives!! And unless you've been living in a cave I think the industry is pretty clear on consoles; and u've got it wrong mate. EVERYONE agrees the PS3 is the better all round machine, but the 360 is out and running and very easy to develop for, but there is no question about which is better. And as for sony losing exclusives: so what?? That is bound to happen, and no it's not cuz the 3fixme is better, it's cuz they are getting paid to put it on the 3fixme and they will be making more money by selling more games which is the point!! That's the only reason. And u wanna talk about fanboys?? Mate, yr the bloody fanboy; call yrself a journalist?? I know xmas is coming up and xbox wants to make a big splash and try to corner the market and they use fools like to hype it up, but yr too damn blatant. Yr a disgrace!!

That article made very little sense to me, but if you are trying to claim that 3rd party developers covering their costs by using more than one console is somehow down to the 360's success you are dead wrong.

3rd parties have been going this way for a while because of how much it costs to develop new games, in the past games were exclusive on the PS2 by default because it outsold the competition 10 to 1, but now globally it's 50-50 between the 360 and PS3 so it makes sense to develop for both.

What you are completely missing in this article are the real implications for this shift:

1) MS will find it harder and harder to buy exclusivity, they have been riding on the success of 3rd party games that they could afford to buy exclusivity for because of the PS3's slow start. As we are seeing more and more lately this constant outflow of cash is only able to secure the odd bit of DLC nowadays.

2) With 3rd party titles becoming almost irrelevant as they can be had on either system the only differentiating factor will be 1st party titles - this is the 360's biggest downfall - Sony have around 23 in-house studios creating amazing and varied exclusive games that can ONLY be experienced on PS3, not even the PC gets most of them - things like LBP, Resistance, KillZone, WipeOut to name but a few. By contrast MS have around 3 studios making games for them.

3) MS has one strategy and that is to stop Sony from winning. Note this is a completely different strategy to making sure they win. In other words they are spending millions, not on new and unique hardware shifting games, but on making sure they get as many ex-PS2 3rd party titles as possible (or getting some extra DLC for their customers to pay for) - this doesn't encourage PS2/PS3 owners to switch alliances, it just encourages 360 owners to not get a PS3! - GTA IV proved this strategy doesn't work!

4) SOE have teamed up with SCE to make sure the PS3 will become the console home of MMORPG's, opening up the console market to a whole new and lucrative audience of gamers previously catered for exclusively on PC.

5) Developers are now getting to grips with the PS3 and a lot of them are beginning to make the PS3 the lead platform - this means that dodgy ports will soon be a thing of the past and who knows perhaps the 360 will start getting it's share of dodgy ports. Games like Skate 2 and Mirror's Edge are being developed on PS3 as the lead, and let's not forget that the Tekken 6 arcade game out since 2007 actually runs off PS3 hardware!!!

6) THE PS3 HAS GLOBALLY OUTSOLD THE 360 BY AROUND THREE MILLION UNITS SINCE LAUNCH AND BEFORE THE RECENT 360 PRICE CUTS IT WAS OUTSOLD BY OVER FOUR MILLION! Microsoft is the only company in the world that would run a marathon the day before and claim victory in the race!!!!

FACT: The 360 launched with NO next-gen competition, with a relatively LOW retail price, with a relatively LARGE software library, and SIMULTANEOUSLY worldwide.

FACT: The 360 sold 12.4 MILLION units GLOBALLY in it's first 100 weeks on sale

FACT: The PS3 launched with INTENSE next-gen competition, with a relatively HIGH retail price, with a relatively SMALL software library, and SUFFERED DELAYS worldwide.

FACT: The PS3 sold 15.7 MILLION units GLOBALLY in it's first 100 weeks on sale

This alone makes anyone claiming the 360 is a unrivalled success, who doesn't work for Microsoft, an idiot or a mis-informed fanboy.

7) I'm sure most people have the sense to realise you get what you pay for, it's all very well having a dirt cheap 360 Arcade if you're a casual gamer only wanting to play games, but the minute you want to expand it's capabilities you have a HUGE bill to upgrade thanks to MS adopting a greedy closed-proprietary system with peripherals selling at hugely inflated prices (the HDD being a case in point). I think it costs about $850 to get a 360 Core console up to the same functionality of a PS3!!!

Go out and buy me a 360 equipped with a large HDD, HDMI output, Wi-Fi broadband capability, online game access, rechargeable controller and a blu-ray player. You will NOT be able to find all that for even close to what it costs for a PS3 (which includes all of the above out of the box).

The cheap price of the 360 is an illusion for marketing purposes, in the long run it will cost your more, potentially significantly more...

IN SUMMARY: The PS3 is not in the 360's shadow, and only a 360 Fanboy or a Microsoft employee would claim it was...