Forza 5 Dev Defends Lack Of Weather, Lack Of Night Driving, Limited Content

By William Usher 12 months ago discussion comments
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Dan goes on to further defend Forza 5, and why the game has a premium charge, plenty of DLC in the works, a microtransaction store and yet a quarter of the content from Forza 4, despite the fact that a lot of the car details are graphically interchangeable, telling IGN...
"Everything had to be rebuilt," ... “[weather and night driving] is not a minor thing, it is not a 'add a little bit of time, throw it in' thing," … "When we do things, we do it all the way. That means physics, that means changing conditions, that means everything. So that is not the sort of thing that is easily undertaken in a patch.”

"If we wanted to make one of those tracks work with the added particles or projected shadows, and of course adding the physics to do something like night and wet, it means re-engaging those tracks. I’m not trying to give an excuse, I’m trying to give context as to why this is an order of magnitude higher than something like Drag and Tag, and other things we’re looking at from the community.”

All right, let me a explain a few things and actually identify why they can't “drag and tag” assets or “flip a switch” and turn the tracks from day to night or implement a dynamic weather system.

Forza 5 was downgraded so much that none of the track's light maps running on the Xbox One are real time. All the lights are, in a way, “burned” onto the track. There is no global illumination, which means that if you took the main light source for the track and dimmed or darkened it to look like night time, all it would do is darken the entire track and make it look like the gamma was turn down real low. The lighting scale isn't dynamic because the light maps are pre-rendered.

Turn 10 had to pre-bake the shadows onto the tracks. This means that the track is pre-rendered with shadow mapping, almost but not quite as if the shadows are textured onto the stage, or “drawn” onto certain segments. Pre-baking is a popular technique that gained a lot of gusto during the previous gen to allow for faster processing of assets. It's a toss up whether it actually helps with load times (depending on the system and the game's core design) but ultimately, pre-baked shadows is what allows for some games to have higher frame rates without worrying about frame loss during heavily shadowed or variously lit scenarios. It's why Gran Theft Auto V looks worse than The Last of Us or Halo 4 and runs worse, mostly because the latter two games have their shadows baked into the maps, where-as GTA V has dynamic light assets, which is why GTA IV could scale to look like this with the iCEnhancer.


All this is to say: if Turn 10 wanted to make night tracks, they would have to completely redo each and every track from the ground up as far as rendering, lighting, textures and skybox assets go. This is usually what I mean by AAA studios paying more to downgrade graphics.

They can't just put a weather system in because, again, that would affect the lighting of the stages and they would have to redo the entire lighting system in each stage. The game was expertly crafted in order for the Xbox One to hit 1080p at 60fps with loss-less quality. Replacing static lighting elements, textured skies and pre-baked shadows with a dynamic system would essentially compromise either the 60fps or the 1080p resolution. They designed themselves into a corner.

Ultimately, there is no recourse for this. Turn 10 is stuck and their design methodology will continue to be expensive and time consuming to compete (content wise) with a last gen game like Gran Turismo 6 due to that design decision.

On a much smaller budget and offering a lot more content is Slightly Mad Studios' Project CARS. The game is coming along quite nicely and also features laser-scanned tracks with dynamic weather, dynamic lighting and dynamic topographical physics.

Racing fans looking for a real next-gen racer would do better to bide their time and wait for a game that isn't cutting corners to peddle high concept ideas with low quality assets.
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