In two separate stories, both Bill Gates and Chris Satchell buttered up the Xbox 360 like never before. With claims like “Half the people who bought a 360 didn’t own an Xbox 1" and “We wanted to be the guy with a smaller box that costs less”...now just imagine what the rest of the interview was like?
Mercury News is running an article in which Bill Gates was interviewed regarding several of Microsoft’s prospects. As of course, the Xbox 360 came into the conversation and the question of competition arose. Firstly, Bill commented on the success of the 360, and how it emerged onto the scene, saying "We wanted to be the guy with the small box that costs less. We wanted to have the most compelling or better than anyone else’s box. We wanted to have the most games. We wanted to play to our software strength, and tools and online. We wanted to get most respects, except for the online capability, we wanted to swap positions with Sony." Well, the 360 is not the least expensive out of the three new consoles, the Wii is. The Xbox 360 is also not the smallest, the Wii is. The Xbox 360 is not the most compelling, the Playstation 3 is (if not simply by looks at least via hardware performance). The Xbox 360 is not the most respected, especially with the burning up and overheating issues, hence the Wii is already aiming to take that title away from you as well, Bill. Heck, aside from the online portion and having more games, did you guys over there at Redmond get anything on that check list...well, checked?!
Moving on...the question of competition [with Nintendo] came up and here's what Mr. Gates had to say about them, “...Look at the classic Nintendo positioning. Look at the graphics. Look at Nintendo’s execution in terms of online capability. We have this thing that nobody has ever seen before. When you say to your friend, hey let’s play online, you say then you have to buy an Xbox. That’s what 10 million people say. If you want to play online, get an Xbox. We’re not standing still. Look at what you saw today connecting up the world to the Windows PC. Do you expect Nintendo to rev up a team to create cross-device gaming and tool kits to develop those things? Not very likely.
Um, “cross-device gaming and tool kits”? Excuse me Mr. Gates, Nintendo has been using cross-device gaming for years. From the Gameboy and Nintendo 64, to the Gameboy Advance and Nintendo DS working cohesively with the Gamecube, Nintendo was at the forefront of first-party cross-device gaming. For the poor sap who doesn’t take that to note, they might actually be fooled into thinking that Microsoft is doing something new with the Xbox 360 and Windows Vista. When in fact, they are simply taking Nintendo’s cross-device gaming paradigm and upping it to a much larger scale. Because if you recall, there was no cross-device gaming for the original Xbox.
Speaking of which, Chris Satchell made comments to Gameindustry.biz about the original Xbox and sales of the Xbox 360, stating that “We've sold 10.4 million [Xbox 360s], but the stat you may not have heard is that over half of those sales are from people that didn't own an Xbox 1" Yes, and I suppose the other half of those Xbox 360 owners were 5.2 million PS2 gamers, eh? Yeah right. Microsoft has only shipped 10.4 million Xbox 360's to retailers, but they certainly don’t have an installed base that’s half the amount of the original Xbox. It’s sad because ever since the announcement of the Xbox 360, Microsoft has treated the original big black box like a big bad blight.
Seriously, if Sony ever pulls through in the next-gen race Microsoft is going to have some awfully stiff competition. And right now, Sony is still in the next-gen race thanks to the PS2 and it’s remarkable base, excellent holiday console sales and continuously strong software sales. While Nintendo had every right to abandon the Gamecube – simply because of the quickly building casual market for the Wii and the almost non-existent software support for the Cube – Microsoft was heading into the next-gen using the same Xbox 1 formula. The only difference is that MS had a one-year head start; the Xbox 360 was just bigger and better than the original, but nothing spectacularly new. So what gives MS the impression that they’ve really broadened the horizon of the Xbox 360? Why would casual gamers who didn't play the Xbox want a more expensive version of the same thing? And more importantly, why would anyone who didn’t already have an Xbox want an Xbox 360? Seriously, unless Satchell can back those claims with some NPD numbers, which he factually cannot because the 360 only has an installed base of 4 million, according to the NPD. This means that Satchell is probably just blowing smoke up Microsoft’s butt.
But let’s say that half the owners of a 360 (which would be approximately an installed base of 2.25 million) weren’t actual owners of the original Xbox. Is Microsoft really that proud of 2.25 million new consumers to a product that’s now over a year old? Nintendo has an estimated base of 1.1 million consumers who are both hardcore and casual gamers. And that’s less than three months of console sales.
So if Nintendo is expanding their base at 1 million SKUs into a household every three months, and Microsoft is proud to tack on 2.25 million new consumers each year, how can they claim that the 360 is making good headway? Realistically, though, the comparison isn’t entirely fair only because there aren’t exact numbers for the casual gamers who purchased a Wii. Still, the record is looking awfully favorable toward Nintendo. If these early numbers are any indication of what’s to come, then Microsoft won’t be the king of the hill for long.
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Say what you will, but developers prefer the Xbox 360. The PS3 has great capability...on paper; in reality, not so - this coming from game developers themselves. Maybe in 1-2 years we will see the 'true' power of the PS3, till then, Xbox 360 all the way.
Mr. Usher, are you aware that Nintendo does not consider the Wii to be in competition with the next gen consoles? Are you aware that Sony and Micrsoft are mostly worried about each other? He's comparing Xbox 360 to it's true competition, PS3. THAT's why he said smallest, least expensive, and most compelling. 360 is smaller and cheaper than PS3. How compelling it is depends on who you ask. Xbox 360 is VERY compelling to me, while PS3 and Wii are not compelling at all. How would you know about which console is the most respected?What do you base that argument on?The cross-DEVICE gaming he's referring to is beyond Wii and DS or PS3 and PSP. He's talking about console to computer. That's much more important than being able to connect a handheld to a console.
That point about Xbox not having cross-device gaming was irrelevent. That was before. I could just as easily say that Gamecube didn't have an innovative controller or PS2 didn't have built in Wi-fi. It doesn't matter now.Stop comparing consoles like PS2 and Xbox to new consoles. No one cares. Those consoles have larger user bases? I wonder why.
IF Sony pulls through? That's like saying Eric Snow could beat Kobe in a game, IF he was good enough. The continuing PS2 sells do NOT bode well for PS3. Funny how Sony points out that PS2 outsells 360. Well, it outsold PS3 and the trend is likely to continue for quite a while. Now what? New PS2 sells means that people are stickin to PS2 instead of getting PS3. That's not good for PS3.
Nothing new about Xbox 360?What the fuck?Have you been living under a mountain. Xbox 360 is WAY better than the original. I don't remember an ever present Guide. Downloadable demos, games, movies and TV shows were on Xbox?I wonder how I missed IPTV and a music marketplace on the first Xbox. Enough sarcasm. ..XBox 360 is much better than the original. PS3 is much better than PS2. Even Wii has evolved, although it sports inferior hardware. Every console is worthy of being called next gen, excluding Wii since it doesn't claim the title... There are plenty of reasons to get a 360, even if you didn't have an XBox. What would that have to do with anything anyway? I guess Wii won't sell any more than Gamecube huh? Why get a Wii if you didn't have a Gamecube, huh?
Those numbers about Xbox 360 owners who didn't own an Xbox was based on the entire 10.4 million, not just the US sales. They estimated that by analyzing the games people played, using Live. They found out that most users don't play Xbox games on 360, so they assume that they didn't have one. I'm sure there's more mathematics and such involved, but that's the just of it. Yes, it is a rough estimate, but you make it sound much worse.
You're OBVIOUSLY a Nintendo fanboy. It was SOOOOO obvious. You didn't even make an attempt to hide your fanboyism did you?Didn't CONSIDER being fair and objective?I mean, I didn't have to read much before I noticed you hatred of Microsoft and/or love for Nintendo. I also noticed that you didn't mention PS3 much, which is strange, bcuz Wii isn't even really competing with 360, while PS3 is. This article was SO unprofessional. Try to remain objective next time, fanboy?
Wow. Talk about bias. What a bunch of drivel. How about reporting what was said without a slew of slanted opinions. I might care what Bill Gates says – I certainly don’t care what a Mr. William Usher thinks about what Mr. Bill Gates said. This isn’t reporting its just ranting.
'Cross device gaming'...how can you compare the xbox 360s ability to connect to cameras, ipods, mp3 players, windows media Center PCs, and ability to network with other machines computers either locally or via internet....to what the gamecube could do with nintendos gameboys...I reckon Microsoft can take the credit for true 'cross device gaming' since they came out first.
Also, XNA game development kit is a true first... no need to argue over that one. When it comes to being able to create a real game, with REAL software development tools, and a real support network that is of actual use to people...again, respect goes out to Microsoft on this one...
'The cheapest machine', i think microsoft can say they do offer the cheapest machine...the core 360 system was either equally priced or slightly cheaper than the Wii...considering the Wii price, and the technological gap in performance and Next Gen polish, the fact that the core and Wii are the same price makes the 360 the cheaper console when considering the guts of the consoles...
And the last point, how can the Next Gen war be fought through a first gen console, the PS2, if thats the case, then Nintendo is winning the Next Gen War through the Nintendo DS...(or how about those cheapy game handhelds sold in the $2 store...)
The author of this article (and I use that term lightly, as it is more of a rant, than anything else), is a flamboyant fanboy. I would recommend not reading it, because it is complete trash.
yea im pretty sure wen Bill Gates said cross platform he meant real platforms not portables and even if nintendo has the thing to connect from a portable to a system wat games do gameboy and gamecube have that can be played with each other (i.e. multiplayer - Shadow Run PC vs Shadow Run 360) not some extra pokemon levels that are playable with some other gamecube game
OH MY GOD--that is simply the stupidest "article" I have ever read. He got almost no facts right, ignored the obvious context of comments, fails at simple math. Just plain bad.
Somebody need to tell William Usher that the NPD numbers are US only.
Nintendo has made no claims of new Nintendo customers buying the Wii. The Wii will eventually be the system that enlarges it's installed base from it's last gen. counterpart, but right now the only people willing to stand in line are fan boys... Right now the Wii likely has sold at least 90% (just a number which makes sence to me) of it's units to customers which owned a Game Cube.
There is no reason to doubt MS 50% new customer number. They are all current hard core gamers. Just gamer who own a ps2. The 360 has in no way expanded the gaming market, just their consumer base. If video market place really takes off MS may expand the video game industry. Even if they do expand the industry it will not be to the extent that Nintendo has with the DS or how they will with the Wii.
Any expantion of the industy from the PS3 has already happened. There were a few people who waited in line with the hard core gamers to buy a PS3. They wanted to play with Blu-Ray. But as soon as there is a Blu-ray player cheaper then the PS3 (it won't take very long) that will not happen in any relevant numbers. If someone wants blu-ray they will buy a stand-alone -unit, end the only draw the PS3 has to grow the industry.
Will the PS3 steal Xbox1 gamers? Likely the few which bought it because it was techinally more powerful.
They should really put a limit to how long of a comment we can right.
Everything Gates said is truth... last generation they had a bulky, over-sized gaming console that was marginally more powerful than the PS2... even if the PS3 has any sort of graphical advantage over the 360 (a big if), it will not be a major discernable difference and therefore the point is moot. Everything else is advantage 360 the way i see it... Sony is running out of time to justify their high price. And Xbox live is truly the killer app that is game, set, match for MS...
True for me - I didn't own an Original Xbox. In fact - I preferred PS2. Now I own a PS3, Wii, and 360 with HD-DVD . I don't care about the so-called "next-gen" war - bring on the games.
I REALLY HOPE YOU GUYS ARENT PAYING THIS GUY TO WRITE ARTICLES. I have all three systems and I'm a completely unbias gamer. Microsoft had really worked on the 360 and I admit if there was no halo xbox 1 would of crashed and burned. But the 360 rocks. The games are amazing the online is amazing, the exclusives are amazing. Right now its my faviorate! The NIntendo Wii is also an excellent system, unfortanatly the graphics are not next gen , but that was nintendos plan from the begining. When I throw partys the nintendo wii is on most of the night , with the exception of guitar hero 1 and 2 . Nintendo is made for children, I dont care what anyone says. Its like the frosted mini wheats commercial where the adult turns in to a kid when he's eating it. Now to Sony ( Im going to hear ranting from everyone) The Ps3 is an over hyped xbox 360. Sony lost soo many exclusives because they thought they were the biggest baddest console. There oversized ego got to them. The ps3 isnt a bad system , they have some great exclusives coming like motostorm , and gt5 but I dont really think mgs4 is going to stay exclusive, they may get it first but it wont be exclusive. Sony is relying on the sale of the ps2 to take them in to the next gen. The same mistake nintendo made with the N64. The reason theps2 did so well is because lots of game devolpers made games for the ps2 cause it was easy to do . This time around sony had poor developer tools and 360 made there system easy to develope for. Its going to be a close race between all three systems. And thats what you gamers should want. The better the compition the better games that will come out. You wanna keep these companies on there toes. Just remember this logic. More compition = Better Games
People just need reasons to blame MS. There console is good this time. And sony's console is all messed up as tried to bundle everything in it. Sony is really struggling this time.
Truly apalling article.
“We wanted to be the guy with a smaller box that costs less”
Well, it is smaller than the PS3, and yes, it does cost less than the PS3. Check.
"We wanted to have the most compelling or better than anyone else’s box."
Surely thats up to the reader to decide or the author to imply, not flat out state as incorrect.
"We wanted to have the most games."
Well so far so... Check.
"We wanted to play to our software strength, and tools and online."
From what I've heard about developers "loving" the PS3's development tools, well... and the PS3'sonline experience seems... similar shall we say to someone elses.
"We wanted to get most respects, except for the online capability, we wanted to swap positions with Sony."
Yeah, he's definately comparing things to Sony there, not the Wiiiiiii!
MS did not sell 10,000,000 360s to the customers. But it is rediculous to assume that they only sold 5 mil. There are not 5.4mil consoles sitting on store shelves...
"Sony is still in the next-gen race thanks to the PS2". So if I buy a Sega Master System on ebay does that mean that Sega is also in the next-gen race?
Wow, somebody hates Xbox and chooses to ignore certain things in order to make themselves appear right. In that SAMe interview Gates says that Wii is not their main competitor, it's the PS3 and the smaller and cheaper box comments were directed towards them, whcih they are. As for a more compelling system, that is each gamers choice, but i certainly wouldn't call Sony the more compelling option, instead of cramming Blu-Ray down my throat i would rather have the choice. As for graphics, so far I have seen no difference (I realize this is 1st gen Sony against 2nd gen Microsoft but even so, i don't see there being a large discrepancy). Also what most people fail or choose not to realize is last gen the PS2 won, and it had so shitty graphics when compared to Xbox, but it came a year early, had what people wanted, and had the software. Microsoft is doing that this generation I believe, they have a much larger software base and a LOT of exclusive content (See Gears of War, Lost Planet, Dead Rising, Blue Dragon just to name a few) All of which are IP by the way and all of which have garnered top scores, high sales, or both. In comparison to some of Sony's top IP content (See Genji, Dark Kingdom, Full Auto 2, 'nuff said). And don't forget that some hardware choices are not even calculated into graphics power (Like microsofts decision to include a chip which upscales games quality, making them LOOK BETTER). I could go on and on and talk about how Nintendo's connectivitiy has been useless shit in the past (see the demise of Gamecube) and how Microsoft has an installed base of WELL over 4 million (WHERE are you getting these NPD numbers from, Spring 06?) but i fail to see the point in doing so, you are entitled to your opinions and I am entitled to mine, just don't think you can try to present yours using skeptical information and at times backwards logic and not have people call you on it. In closing; LOlfanboyintarweb.
If you are going to say that MS has shipped 10.4 mil but only an installed base of 5.5 mil or less then you have to use the same 'stat' with Wii. If they shipped 1.1 mil then they must only have an installed base of less than half a mil.
Just because half the 360 owners never owned an xbox 1 doesn't mean they all came from ps2, thats a ridiculous claim made by you. This stat that Microsoft has mentioned here comes most likely from registration data and surveys from 360 owners, not some made up stat (such as the many you have in this article).
Furthermore, you can not expect the Wii to sell 1 mil per 3 months just because it did in its first 3 months. Sales are always much higher when things are released or when prices drop, thats just how things work.
Also, you say the 360 is just a 'bigger, better version of the same thing'. The PS3 is just a bigger better version of the xbox1 just as much as the 360 is. Have you ever actually compared the 360, xbox1 and the PS3 from a gaming hardware perspective? I will assume not since you would not make these statements if you had. I might agree with you about this point if you mentioned both the PS3 and Xbox360 are just bigger better versions of something already on the market, but making this claim for only the 360 is absurd. Don't get me wrong though, I think by far the most innovative console this gen has been the wii. But as far as gaming goes, I would take the 360 now over the PS3 for sure (and I have one of each [no wii])
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BTW - you have several of your facts completely wrong on several issues - but I stopped preaching to the moronic and uninformed MS-hater a LONG time ago.
IPTV, HD TV/Movie downloads, Media Centre extender, Online play, HD DVD and a gaming console all wrapped into one electronic device. With over 90%of the desktop PC's in the world running Windows, only Microsoft can offer an online community for gaming that will truly be global and incredibly huge in scale. Signing agreements with AT&T and giving the 360 out as a HDTV set top box is strategically brilliant and will plant the 360 in considerably more homes and only add to market growth. I am not here to knock Sony but they are competing against an amazing product and a brilliant/ruthless company that will try to bury them at every chance. Microsoft has pulled out the big guns here and they are working with alot of other companies to support their services and games to kill Sonys dominance in the gaming market.
Why don't you stick to movies and leave your liberal "Microsoft is a big bad corporation" viewpoints to yourself?
If you should be pissed at any corporation it should be Sony. Sony has sued small business to death (Lik Sang) lied about their achievements (Claimed the Six-axis was an award winning controller when it was the Dual Shock) Had a campaign of deceptive videos promoting the oft-delayed PS3 with impossible graphics. Screwed over gamers by forcing the expensive and slower-loading Blu-Ray format in the PS3, raising the price and lowering performance for the sake of pushing a format.
You can love your Nintendo all day too. But, truth be told, it's not even in direct competition with the PS3 and Xbox 360 any more than DVD players and Satellite recievers. It's just another form and manner of entertainment.
Everyone at CES claimed they won the holiday shopping season. As much as i'm an Xbox fan, I give the holiday to Nintendo. Between the DS light and Wii sales, they outsold everyone. But it's all about number spin and when you talk about online gaming, there's absolutely no comparison between what others offer compared to LIve. In a few years maybe that'll be different but for the last 5, online gaming has been the Xbox's crown.
i am no fan of MS and have been trying to be a ps3 advocate....but...man, what kind of sillyness are you into? For one - I believe some of those numbers gates is using. Why? Because I have seen it happen in my own little online community. In the ps2 online world, things have been terrible since August. It's funny, because the #1 thing sony has going for it is the ps2, but there aren't many new titles on the horizon for the ps2 and online support has dwindled. In my community, many have switched from ps2 to xbox360 because there are actually games for it and support for online play.
Gates is right about that too - online play will be a huge deciding factor. You've got to remember that there are many types of gamers - lol - so even if wii gets a good online base, what is nintendo known for? Making gamesthat cater to the 5-13 year old audience...lol, and I guess housewives now...and I don't know about you, but having to listen to a room full of chipmunks doesn't impress me very much. nintendo has a niche though, and it does well in that niche, cartoony type games made for kids and for adults that want to go reminisce.
Nintendo will last, but it will not be king of the hill, it's just a cheap system with a neat gimmick. Lots of people that are undecided as to whether or not they will get a ps3 of a 360 are buying the wii as a hold-over machine.
Sony has lost a lot of support, but if they can get a few games out that actually spark interest, then the playing field will level off. Either way, the fad that is wii will fade into memory by next holiday season...
Not a very unbiased perspective from the author. As far as size goes, I think Gates was trying to say they wanted to be smaller than the PS3 because the XBox1 was larger than the PS2. I don't think the Wii came into that discussion at all (even Nintendo doesn't try to equate the power of the Wii against the 360 or PS3 - it's definitely a last-gen machine with a next-gen controller).
On the cross-gaming issue, speaking as a developer, Microsoft ABSOLUTELY has done a better job of supporting cross-platform, especially now that XNA is available. Saying that Nintendo supporting communications between their handheld is an augmentation of a product, not a port. Nintendo definitely does NOT give you a single API to code to both Wii and DS, only the spec to make the two talk together in the same game. What MS gives is a framework that will let the vast majority of a developers code compile for both Windows (XP & Vista) and the 360. That means that a single development team can target two platforms and that's HUGE, especially with the current market push for bigger games without repeating environments. It lets developers spend money on additional artists, modelers, authors and voice actors instead of on multiple development teams.
Say what you want about MS, but they are the primary driving force in the game market today with the push towards online. There's no arguing that the Wii Remote and motion sensing are stretching developers' minds beyond FPS, RTS and RPGs, but online is arguably more important as it ties users and markets together. Nintendo online support right now is pitiful, as is Sony's. They leave far too much to each developer instead of pushing a unified experience. They should instead quickly copy EXACTLY what Microsoft has done and then start pushing online in new directions.
he is not a fanboy, just a reporter, the term fanboy is the most widely used scapegoat in today's gaming world, this guy is spot on and no i am not a fanboy, or fanboi, or whatever word you teenagers are throwing around these days, stay in school, get a job and stop playing the hate game, just because billy gates wants to hate doesnt mean you have to, please no more system bashing, wii is great, ps3 is great, and xbox360 is great, so everyone just stop the hate and realize there is no dreamcast of this generation all 3 are going to suceed, my advice, get all of them over the next 4 years, or does your mcd's salary not afford you that luxury, stay in school gets get a high paying job and even 600 dollars seems like peanuts, at least to me anyway, just i thought
You know, for a bunch of people throwing phrases like "biased Sony fanboy" around, there seem to be a hell of a lot of them who are clearly biased 360 fanboys.
this is the best unbiased articled i've read so far on this so-called next-gen wars. the people here defending microsoft are the ones being paid by microsoft.
and the 10M 360 "sold"... sold my ass!
maybe gates and co. are spending billions and billions of dollar on marketing the 360 which after 1 year doesn't have a good position on the market. and more billions paying some websites/blogsites such as Joystiq, 1up, etc. to destroy the competition via half-truth, brute-force storytelling.
shame on you bill and company, no matter how deep your pockets are, you won't own everything in this world. Google has just kicked your butts once again in the SEARCH area and iPod slapped a good one on your Zune! and now you are trying to swap place with the playstation?
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January 18th, 2007 at 10:58
Awww somebody doesn't like the 360.
Do you need a night night.....