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Sicko Spurs Audiences Into Action

By Josh Tyler: 2007-07-01 17:15:27

Sicko Spurs Audiences Into Action Long time readers of this site no doubt know that I live in Texas. As everyone knows there’s no more conservative state in the Union than here. And I don’t just live in Texas; I live in the Dallas/Fort Worth metroplex. Dallas isn’t some pocket of hippy-dippy behavior. This isn’t Austin. Dallas is the sort of place where guys in cowboy hats still drive around in giant SUV’s with “W” stickers on the back windshield, global warming and Iraq be damned. It’s probably the only spot left in America where you stand a good chance of getting the crap kicked out of you for badmouthing the president.

So when I went to see Sicko for a second time this afternoon, I wasn’t sure what to expect from the audience. I wasn’t watching it downtown, where the city’s few elitist liberals congregate and drink expensive lattes. I went to a random mall in the mid-cities, where folks were likely to be just folks. As I sat down, right behind me entered an obligatory, cowboy hat wearing redneck in his 50s. He announced his presence by shouting across the theater in a thick Texas drawl to his already seated wife “you owe me fer seein this!”

Sicko started; the stereotypical Texas guy sat down behind me and never stopped talking. He talked through the entire movie… and I listened. The first ten to twenty minutes of the film he spent badmouthing Moore to his wife and snorting in disgust whenever MM went into one of his trademark monologues. But as the movie wore on his protestations became quieter, less enthusiastic. Somewhere along the way, maybe at the half way point, right before my ears, Sicko changed this man’s mind. By the forty-five minute mark, he, along with the rest of the audience were breaking into spontaneous applause. He stopped pooh-poohing the movie and started shouting out “hell yeah!” at the screen. It was as if the whole world had been flipped upside down. This is Texas, where people support the president and voting democratic is something only done by the terrorists. Michael Moore should be public enemy number one.

By the time the movie was over, public enemy number one had become George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, and John F. Kennedy all rolled together. When the credits rolled the audience filed out and into the bathrooms. At the urinals, my redneck friend couldn’t stop talking about the film, and I kept listening. He struck up a conversation with a random black man in his 40s standing next to him, and soon everyone was peeing and talking about just how fucked everything is.

I kept my distance, as we all finished and exited at the same time. Outside the restroom doors… the theater was in chaos. The entire Sicko audience had somehow formed an impromptu town hall meeting in front of the ladies room. I’ve never seen anything like it. This is Texas goddammit, not France or some liberal college campus. But here these people were, complete strangers from every walk of life talking excitedly about the movie. It was as if they simply couldn’t go home without doing something drastic about what they’d just seen. My redneck compadre and his new friend found their wives at the center of the group, while I lingered in the background waiting for my spouse to emerge.

The talk gradually centered around a core of 10 or 12 strangers in a cluster while the rest of us stood around them listening intently to this thing that seemed to be happening out of nowhere. The black gentleman engaged by my redneck in the restroom shouted for everyone’s attention. The conversation stopped instantly as all eyes in this group of 30 or 40 people were now on him. “If we just see this and do nothing about it,” he said, “then what’s the point? Something has to change.” There was silence, then the redneck’s wife started calling for email addresses. Suddenly everyone was scribbling down everyone else’s email, promising to get together and do something… though no one seemed to know quite what. It was as if I’d just stepped into the world’s most bizarre protest rally, except instead of hippies the group was comprised of men and women of every age, skin color, income, and walk of life coming together on something that had shaken them deeply, and to the core.

In all my thirty years on this earth, I have never ever seen any movie have this kind of unifying effect on people. It was like I was standing there, at the birth of a new political movement. Even after 9/11, there was never a reaction like this, at least not in Texas. If Sicko truly has this sort of power, then Michael Moore has done something beyond amazing. If it can change people, affect people like this in the conservative hotbed of Texas, then Sicko isn’t just a great movie, seeing it may be one of the most important things you do all year.


Note: This is not a review of the film. To read Josh's review of Sicko here.



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  1. MacMic Says:

    It would appear that truth and pain, unvarnished, are the source of both comedy and resolve...

  1. RuthAnn Says:


    This is a great article. I also saw "Sicko" this weekend ... and noticed a similar phenomenon in my Georgia (metro-Atlanta) location. Everyone was talking about what they could do to fix this problem. Everyone has either directly experienced, or knows someone who has experienced the nightmare of finding their health insurance has screwed them. The time for national health care has come, thank Goodness Michael Moore had the courage to make this film. Now its up to us. There is a bill in Congress right now now will nationalize health care for all. It is HR 676 (Medicare for all). Do what I did.....I sent my congressman an email requesting that he co-sponser this bill. If he doesn't, he'll lose my vote in 2008!

  1. Concerned citizen Says:

    Mr. Taylor,

    If you were equally as affected by the film and/or are in touch with those people who want to organize and do something, I recommend following California's example. CA actually has a bill in its legislature right now that would bring single-payer health insurance to the state. At the very least, health insurance reform is on the agenda. The details of the bill and the huge, state-wide organization that is behind it is at www.onecarenow.org and at www.healthcareforall.org. We've been flyering screenings of Sicko and getting a great response - there is no debate that the U.S. health insurance system has failed us. There is honest debate about the solution, but the first step is pin-pointing the problem.

    Texas' huge population and influence in the U.S. can make a definite difference in health insurance reform.

  1. Sam Says:

    I haven't saw and am leaning towards not seeing Sicko ; that said if Michael Moore can create a grassroots healthcare movement good for him. And I say that as a Republican. There is nothing greater in our system of goverment than individuals speaking up and acting out for change.

  1. Ginger Says:

    I plan to see this movie tomorrow. As a long-time Dallas resident, I am very encouraged to read this review and the response of the audience. It's really time for a national health care system, and it's time for people to get over the knee-jerk reaction to that phrase. Unless, that is, they're really, really happy with their health care.

  1. The Liberal Democratic party of the United States of America Says:

    Send this letter to congress today!

    Copy and paste the letter below and email it directly to webmaster@rpc.senate.gov the Republican Senate policy committee and get many others to send this letter. Thank you. Drop me a message to info@dmocrats.org with the subject Done after you have sent the email.

    Hello

    Get your Republican party to enact HR 676 Single payer universal health care into law by Dec. 2007 and repeal Medicare Part D and place the prescription drug benefit in Medicare Part B covering 80 percent of medication with no extra premiums, deductibles no means tests, no coverage gaps, and until you do, we will not buy consumer products and prescription drugs from the biggest 3 pharmacy chains and GOP contributors in the country Eckerd, CVS, and Walgreens and we will not buy health insurance from Blue Cross Blue Shield and Aetna, the 2 biggest health insurance companies that give money to the GOP as well, who cannot afford to lose a large sector of the publics business and money.

    Get your Republican party to enact a $10 an hour minimum wage by Dec. 2007, and until you do, we will not go to the following restaurants and GOP contributors Wendy's, Outback Steakhouse, Olive Garden, Red Lobster, and Dominos Pizza who cannot afford to lose a large sector of the publics business and money.

  1. Cream City Says:

    Hey, Concerned Citizen, et al. -- Wisconsin also has a universal health care proposal in the legislature now. It's in the biennial budget bill, and the fiscal year already started, so they have to act on it sometime soon (oh, sometime in the first quarter or so of the fiscal year is about par for their course).

    Whether it will go through this time is debatable, since it passed the Democratic upper house but now faces the Republican lower house -- and the latter's GOP leadership is posturing against it (and the entire budget bill, for that matter) all over the msm, blogs, etc.

    But it may be like a school referendum; the first time up just gets it on the agenda -- and it finally goes through the second time. Better that by then, we have a national plan, of course. Then my daughter could go back to college; she had to leave to get a job to get health insurance to cover meds for her health condition. And even with a good job, the insurance doesn't cover much of her meds -- so helping her out means going into our retirement fund, so we better work on Social Security, too.

  1. Mike Sabat Says:

    Here is how to contact your congressman and senators.

    http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

    Or just google "who is my congressman" or senator.

    email them NOW

  1. Dan D. Says:

    The problem with the medical and insurance industry is NOT the free market - it is the government interference which is supporting by law the problems we have. We need less government interference in the market, not more. Whole business models are illegal. Competition is nonexistant. This is BECAUSE of the government, and you want to give them MORE power over health care? Insanity.

  1. RBB Says:

    To observe a Michael Moore film eliciting such a reaction from American patrons should be no more surprising than witnessing dedicated and brilliant medical doctors set themselves ablaze during an attempt to blow up innocent citizens. People are like that. . . and still unable to articulate their beliefs/positions. . . strictly acting on pure emotion.

  1. snapdeus Says:

    the dallas metroplex isn't as conservative as you claim. in the 2004 election, the city was split 49% to 51% for bush.

  1. Colin Says:

    I went to see the sneak preview at the Angelika in Dallas before the wide release and was also surprised at the reaction. I looked around the theater a few times throughout the movie and saw some people with tears in their eyes. After the movie people stood outside and talked about it for a while. It was amazing.

  1. Josh T Says:

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    the dallas metroplex isn't as conservative as you claim. in the 2004 election, the city was split 49% to 51% for bush.
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    Which city? The metroplex is composed of many, very large cities.

    Colin, in all fairness though the Angelika is located smack dab in the middle of the most liberal area in the entire metroplex. I wouldn't have been so surprised to see something like that there. Though even then, it would certainly be completely out of the ordinary.

    Thanks for relating your experience. I'm glad to hear that it sounds like what I witnessed wasn't an isolated thing. Amazing.

  1. Je Support les Troops Says:

    Such a cool story - thanks for sharing it!

  1. parse Says:

    Suddenly everyone was scribbling down everyone else’s email, promising to get together and do something… though no one seemed to know quite what.

    Your headline reads "Sicko Spurs Audiences Into Action." The pity is that this is what passes for political action nowadays--people exchainging emails and promising to get together and "do something."

  1. brian roper Says:

    I live in Fort Worth and the biggest reaction I've ever gotten on my site was writing about Moore; he can bring out peoples nasty side. But hey even uber-biased CNN gave SICKO a good review.
    Amazing story though; thanks for sharing that.

  1. clk Says:

    Ive seen the system work. Perhaps its only because Singapore is a small country, but the healthcare here beats anything I could have imagined when I lived in the US. I'm from the midwest and have family there. Here, I or my kids can see a doctor for about US$25 for a 40-minute visit. We could use the public health system, which is even cheaper, but our doctors are closer to our home and we have good supplemental insurance. I just had a full-blown physical including MRI and all for a few hundred dollars. The doctor probably spent a total of an hour listening to me. Once again, I could have gotten similar service much cheaper, but I'm partial to my doctor. Last year when I took a year off work, I was able to buy full insurance coverage for my wife and two young children for about US$50 a month. Once again, I could have gotten it cheaper but I can easily afford the premium plan. After engaging with the medical service through two kids and the regular bout of stuff over the years, this government-organised system is better than anything I could have imagined when I was in the US. The doctors take time to hear you out. The medical equipment is first rate and the prices are affordable. Everyone has basic coverage with an emphasis on preventable illness. Those nearer the bottom can rely on government hospitals, while those nearer the top can buy supplemental insurance and enjoy top-notch private services (the real cost is still reasonable; I usually put dr visits on my credit card and claim them back at the end of the month). One thing I do notice here is that doctors don't make a bundle. The specialists seem to do well, but most doctors make a good salary, not spectacular. They seems to feel it more of a calling than a get-rich scheme. As a result, I can't imagine losing sleep over the cost of medical care. The government requires all to contribute to an account that can be tapped for medical care. The whole medical system here is just a non-issue. Don't lose heart, the right system can be a source of security. Organising medicine under some sort of government aegis is not all that different from government organisation of the fire or police service. Providing security for its citizens seems like one place the government should be.

  1. Grace Says:

    I am from TX and lived in Dallas for 6 years, and I can attest to how absolutely astounding your experience was, all things Metroplex taken into consideration.

    Thank you for writing this up - I needed a bit of hope of this nature. Between watching our beloved Democratic Republic turn into a theocracy and being bounced back and forth in our stupidly evil healthcare system (along with most of my friends and family), I am ready to go from being a member of the choir to being one of the preachers.

    We are getting off our butts and going to see the film today. We are encouraging our friends to join us or to organise their own gatherings.

  1. Roz Says:

    I have my doubts that many conservative minded people (especially in backward-ass Texas, right?) go check out Michael Moore flicks as soon as they open.

    I'm a Texan. I'm a liberal. You cannot really be a Texan or you wouldn't be exploiting the redneck-conservative-yeehaw stereotypes to such extent.

    The review is great. The spontaneous reaction of the audience is inspiring. But Michael Moore mostly preaches to the choir. Just because it happened in Texas doesn't neccessarily mean he converted people - despite popular belief, lots of liberals, moderates, and all walks of life really live in Texas, even the suburbs of Dallas.

  1. JoshT Says:

    Just because I'm a Texan doesn't mean I have to stick my head in the sand and pretend none of those stereotypes are true. The truth is, that some of them are dead on. Any real Texan who has spent more than 5 minutes outside the I-35 corridor, whether he wants to admit it or not, knows that.

    More importantly, being a Texan I have a sense of humor about those stereotypes and have no problem poking fun at myself and my state once in awhile.

  1. richard Says:

    In the UK we have the National Health Service. I suppose Moore mentions this in his film, but I bring it up in case he doesn't. One of the most amazing things about our NHS is that it is universally adored in principle. Sure, there are plenty of occasions where it is felt things are not good enough, but at the political level every party supports the NHS, and the only disagreements are about how that is best achieved.

    I know this is not the case in the US. Historically the US has been more individualistic in it's approach to what a government should or should not do, and I can respect that, placing responsibility on individuals. But when it comes to a health service I believe that is not the best way forward. And neither does 99% of the UK.

    We recently had an increase in our taxes to cover the payments of the NHS.

    In 2005/6 the average household income was £68,700 (before taxes). The number of households is around 25 million. The budget for the NHS was £77.6bn in 2005. A quick calculation says that £3,104 per household in taxes was paid to the NHS, which 4.51% if the average household income.

    I wonder what a US Citizen is prepared to pay for a National Health Service.

    I also wonder what they already pay for insurance.

  1. JoshT Says:

    Richard,

    In the US, if you work for a major corporation, sometimes your insurance is provided for you free as a benefit, or you get it at a reduced rate. Most people in that situation probably pay $40 or $50 a month for it.

    If you don't work for a corporation, health insurance for a family of 3 or 4 probably runs between $200 - $400 a month.

    So if you work for a big corporation, you pay less than you do in the UK, if you don't work for one, you pay more.

    But the problem is that even after you pay all that money, when serious health problems arise you may not be covered at all. The insurance may refuse to pay for anything. Even if you are covered, you're still required to pay a percentage of the expenses out of your pocket and for serious health problems that percentage can sometimes add up to tens of thousands of dollars on top of what you pay just to have the insurance.

  1. Steve Says:

    "If you don't work for a corporation, health insurance for a family of 3 or 4 probably runs between $200 - $400 a month."

    Your estimate is much too low. The insurance I've had through work costs $300-400 a month just for myself. The families I know of pay $1500 and up. My parents, who are in their late 50s and in good health, pay over $3000/month for their health insurance. No, that isn't a typo, and I'm not joking.

  1. wildbill Says:

    SICKO IS NOT ABOUT REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT,OR LIBERAL AGENDAS,,,,IT IS ABOUT WHAT IS RIGHT,,,,,WHY DOES A
    HEALTH INSURANCE COMPANY SELL SO MANY GRADES OF POLICIES? TO MAKE A PROFIT,,,,,WHO SHOULD MAKE A PROFIT SELLING
    HEALTH INSURANCE,,,,,,NOBODY,,,,DO WE MAKE A PROFIT HAVING POLICE,FIRE DEPARTMENTS,COURTS? NO THEN WHY HEALTH INSURANCE? AND WHY LET THEM TAKE OUR MONEY,SCREWING THE DOCTORS,HOSPITALS.......AND WHAT MAKES A HOSPITAL NON-PROFIT?,,,,,,SPENDING ALL THE MONEY THEY MAKE SO THERE IS NO PROFIT.......THEY NEED TO BE REIGNED IN AS WELL........SICK PEOPLE NEED CARE......NOT BANKRUPTCY....

  1. none Says:

    America is based solely on capitalistic greed. Find a way to get money to someone to make a change, that is the only way in this sh*thole of a country. So if you care and you are rich go fund the right person.

  1. richard Says:

    JoshT

    I would argue that if your company pays health insurance, that would be money that would come to you as salary and then get taken away as taxes if you switched to a social security type system.

    Interesting to see what the charges are, seems relatively cheap, although the pound has just hit an all time high against the dollar. Perhaps the relative cost being so low is why the service is poor.

    As for what you pay in the UK, since it is an income based tax you pay in relation to your earnings. It's something like 10% of everything over £10,000 per anum. (At the moment $2==£1 approx).

    Your last point is striking. In the UK, the only time you pay for health care is if you are in work and require drugs, each prescription made by a doctor costs around £7. There are exceptions for the young, old, certain types of drugs, and the unemployed.

    On occasion the NHS will not provide some drugs that certain patients believe are important, and you may not pay extra for part of your treatment. This is the downside of the NHS. But if there is an improvement...

  1. bodhisattvamama Says:

    As an American who moved to Canada when she was 30-something, I can whole-heartedly attest to the incredible difference that universal health care makes in the lives of the citizenry.

    How much disaffection is created when a person is denied basic health care? How much hopelessness is generated when you can't get help for a sick child? How much anger is created?

    So, how many social ills in the United States are not caused by, but are fed by the lack of universal health care?

    People have to be healthy in order to enjoy their liberties and pursue happiness.

  1. Shannon Looper Says:

    I saw Sicko at the Angelika in Plano, TX. For those who don't know the Metroplex that well, Plano is a very upscale suburb of Dallas. This Angelika is within a couple of miles of the headquarters of several major US corporations. The parking lot is usually filled with Mercedes, BMW, Audi, Hummer, Land Rover, and the like. It's a very conservative part of town, not like the area where the other Angelika is located.

    My friend and I went at 9:50PM on Saturday night and surprisingly, the theater was almost full. During the showing, I was very aware of people crying in the theater. There were also several pronounced groans when the problems of the US citizens were shown. When the 911 workers stories were told, several people said "that's not right!"

    I think, from the teary eyed looks at the end of the film, a large portion of the audience was moved. I just hope enough of us are moved to do something about it.

    I really liked what the Americans in France said, "here, the government is afraid of the people".

    The power in a democracy is in the hands of the people. What happened to our sense of that? How did we get so apathetic? WE get to say how it is. WE can make it better, but not if we just get moved and do nothing.

    If you are moved, write your senators and representatives. Go out into your community and find others like you who want to do something. Form groups, keep the discussion alive.

    Remember a few decades ago when we knew what power we had when we banded together? WE can make this country, this world, into what we want it to be.

    Look at your heart to tell you what to do, and your head to tell you how to do it.

  1. Julia Schopick Says:

    Hi, Josh:

    This is one of the most inspiring movie reviews I have ever read! I followed the link to it from boingboing.net, and am so glad I did.

    Your wonderful description of the Texas audience’s reaction to SiCKO reminds me of the reaction of the people in the 1976 movie, “Network,” who opened up their windows and shouted: "I'm mad as hell and I won't take it anymore!"

    Have you heard from any of the people you describe here – i.e., your fellow audience members who were sharing emails and promising to do something to change things? I would love to be able to write (on my blog, HonestMedicine.com) about what they are doing.

    Unfortunately, Parse is too often right when he comments here: “The pity is that this is what passes for political action nowadays -- people exchanging emails and promising to get together and ‘do something.’”

    But I dearly hope that Parse will be wrong in this instance. I have a feeling that your fellow SiCKO attendees aren’t like the intellectuals and theoretical types who are spending their time and energy (and our airwaves, etc.) arguing about whether or not Moore did a disservice by NOT revealing that there are long lines and long wait times in Canada and Great Britain.

    The sad truth is that we have a HUGE healthcare crisis here in America, and it needs to be fixed. My personal experiences with The System (taking care of, and advocating for, my late husband, a 15-year survivor of a cancerous brain tumor) tell me that the crisis is actually much larger and more serious than Michael Moore has described. In fact, I’m not sure that Moore is even aware of some of the horrible things that happen to fully insured Americans in the process of obtaining treatment in our healthcare system.

    For my take on some of the many flaws in our system that Moore didn’t even take on -– including (but not limited to) the fact that many, many of our doctors are heavily indebted to pharmaceutical companies -- please see my review of SiCKO at http://www.honestmedicine.com/2007/07/michael-moores-.html

    Hurray for the folks in Texas who say they're committed to doing something! I can’t wait to learn more about their efforts.

    How CAN I find out WHAT they are doing? I’d like to report about it at www.HonestMedicine.com.

    Thanks much.
    Julia Schopick
    www.HonestMedicine.com


  1. osiris7 Says:

    The difference between the U.S. and France is just as MM points out: In France, the government is afraid of the people---they're out there in the streets for what they want, and nothing moves until it happens. Here, we're all afraid of the government, we just promise to "exchange emails and do something". Here, we're made to feel like terrorists for demanding what we deserve.

  1. Lee Says:

    Health insurance generally runs far more than $50 per month. I'm 40 and my husband is 53, we've never had major health problems, have rarely seen doctors, and we pay $400 per month for the two of us.

  1. James Says:

    I have not seen "Sicko", yet. I have already had 2 co-workers tell me about it in raving tones, however. I am a Nursing Supervisor for a home health agency and we deal with the constraints, restraints, and inherent inequalities in the healthy care delivery system (or non-system?) every day. As for those who wish to continue to downplay the fact that the USA is moving toward universal health care or a single-payor system: we are not Canada nor the UK; what will emerge in the USA will have to work in our unique country. The fact is that we have enough funds to pay for a universal health care initiative for all of our citizens, we have to choose to have the will to change, to make it happen. I believe we will, especially as 77 million Boomers are getting angrier and angrier - again - and are being moved by Moore's "Sicko" and many other social actions, in the face of an astonishing lack of social equality in health care.

  1. C Dolejs Says:

    Yes, it is a pity that jotting down email addresses and making vague promises to do something is considered political "action," but it is action nonetheless. Even if those people never email each other, they will know that others share their outrage. As the film makes clear, people here are afraid of the government (feel powerless, demoralized), whereas the French government is afraid of the people (who do not hesitate to gather in public and make their concerns known to the government and to the country at large).

    Though I live in Austin--smack dab in the middle of the People's Republic of Travis County--being in a liberal enclave does not change the fact that my vote never seems to count. If it weren't for email and sites like this, I would simply have to seethe in isolation; now, I get to seethe with you all, one step above isolation but a step above nonetheless. Then I'll write a *snail mail* letter to my elected officials, which seems somehow to be a step below what I'm doing right now, for all the good it'll do me (read, demoralized).

  1. JoshT Says:

    JULIA SAYS:
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    This is one of the most inspiring movie reviews I have ever read! I followed the link to it from boingboing.net, and am so glad I did.
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    Thanks for your kind response Julia. However please note that this is NOT a review of the film, this is simply my account of something I observed at one specific showing of the film.

    To read my review of the film, click here

    JULIA SAYS:
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    But I dearly hope that Parse will be wrong in this instance. I have a feeling that your fellow SiCKO attendees aren’t like the intellectuals and theoretical types who are spending their time and energy (and our airwaves, etc.) arguing about whether or not Moore did a disservice by NOT revealing that there are long lines and long wait times in Canada and Great Britain.
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    I'm not sure why people get so hung up on this. Apparently they've never been to a normal hospital in the United States. Ever tried to go to the Emergency Room? Your arm could be half off, but you'll usually spend an hour or two sitting in the waiting room. Once you actually get in, you'll then spend another couple of hours sitting on a cot waiting to be treated. Add on to that a couple more hours until you get admitted to a room and it's not uncommon to wait 5 or 6 hours to get treated.

    It's not like long wait times aren't common in the US. Let's not pretend one of the advantages of our system is that we get faster treatment, because that's BS. And even if we are slightly faster... it's likely only because fewer people actually go to the doctor... since they can't afford it. So maybe if you have money you'll get treated quickly, meanwhile there's a guy sitting at home somewhere trying to stitch up his arm with a home sewing kit because he can't afford to the doctor.

    It's a ridiculous argument against Universal Healthcare, and anyone making it is really grasping at straws.

    JULIA SAYS:
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    How CAN I find out WHAT they are doing?
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    I wish I knew. Honestly I was so intent on observing what was happening around me that I walked out the door without getting my email in with everyone else's. I regret my lapse now, I'd love to know what they're actually doing and where this little moment of political activism is going.

  1. JoshT Says:

    STEVE SAYS:
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    Your estimate is much too low. The insurance I've had through work costs $300-400 a month just for myself. The families I know of pay $1500 and up. My parents, who are in their late 50s and in good health, pay over $3000/month for their health insurance. No, that isn't a typo, and I'm not joking.
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    Steve, my figures may have indeed been on the low end. I was just throwing out numbers for some of the rates I've paid. It varies of course.

    Sounds like you may be on the extreme high end, however I think the thing that's worst about it isn't the high rates you pay to have insurance. It's that you pay those high rates, and they may not even cover you when you need them. And if you're lucky enough that they DO cover you, simply paying your deductibles may end up bankrupting you.

  1. aikanae Says:

    Great review. It really warmed my heart to read it. The Washington Post really cut the movie down last weekend, making numerous errors, twisting statistics, funding, even more than usual. Then it was mirrored all across the nation. Sad.

    I haven't seen the movie yet, but I'm one of those denied coverage for a 95% survivable cancer and no other health problems, under 50. Not once, but twice now. Ridiculous. It's a myth until it happens to you. For me, it was a fast track to the poor house. It's been the most de-humanizing experience. There's no way I can't take it personally.

    What I think angers me the most is that the front runners for the presidental election are still backing insurance companies. That leaves me almost speechless. Mass just passed what they called a 'universal health insurance' that required everyone to have (buy) private insurance if they didn't have employer insurance - like drivers insurance!

    What good is that? I had insurance and still had insurance. Studies have proved insurance wastes 40-60% along with the competing interests between shareholders and actually providing care. I see the housing bust gain speed and insurance companies make the bulk of their money on investments - guess what's going down as lenders have problems (like Wells Fargo)?

    I am so discouraged by this political party system that either doesn't have a clue, doesn't want to have a clue or doesn't care to have a clue what people want anymore that ....

    And that's is where I get stuck. Am I ready to call myself a radical? Talk all you want, but I don't think anyone cares to listen that can change things.

    I don't think there is a way to 'work inside the system' without big insurance / financial system / media backing anymore. I guess that's my question, just how serious are you? Are you ready to stop being polite?

  1. Julia Schopick Says:

    Hi, again, Josh:

    Thanks for responding to the previous comment I left on your site. And thanks, too, for writing the following:

    "Ever tried to go to the Emergency Room? Your arm could be half off, but you'll usually spend an hour or two sitting in the waiting room. Once you actually get in, you'll then spend another couple of hours sitting on a cot waiting to be treated. Add on to that a couple more hours until you get admitted to a room and it's not uncommon to wait 5 or 6 hours to get treated."

    You are so right.

    My late husband Tim, a 15-year brain tumor survivor and the love of my life, endured so many instances of this kind of waiting. One example that stands out: He was left on a gurney, unattended by anyone except his wife (me), for 10 hours in the emergency room, while his head was leaking cranial fluid. The doctors and nurses were just “too busy” to notice, even though I kept telling them he was in very serious trouble. Finally, after 10 hours, they found him a room. But, the wait had been too long; the damage had already been made much worse by the long wait.

    I really believe that SiCKO was great, but that it did NOT go far enough. Moore expressed the opinion several times on talk shows (Larry King, David Letterman, etc.), that he thinks we have a great healthcare system –- for those who can afford it.

    After everything I’ve experienced, I can’t agree with him that it’s such a great system.

    I also caught so many instances of medical errors inside some of our "top" hospitals that it was appalling. For instance, do you know what "death by decimal" is? That's when a patient is given either 10 times the amount -- or 1/10 the amount --of a prescribed medication. That happened to my husband several times, too.

    Believe me: there were many, many other instances of substandard treatment. But I won’t go into them here.

    Long lines? I've survived them. It would be great to endure long lines and NOT have to pay for the "privilege," though!!

    Michael Moore has made a terrific movie. It has stirred discussion, and that’s the first step toward making changes. I am very grateful to him.

    I’m going to link to “Sicko Spurs Audiences Into Action” from my site. It’s priceless – and it gives me real hope.

    Do you know if Michael Moore has seen it?

    Thanks much, Josh.
    Again, I loved your (non)review! (Loved your review, too.)
    Julia Schopick
    www.HonestMedicine.com

  1. none Says:

    Quote from aikanae "I am so discouraged by this political party system that either doesn't have a clue, doesn't want to have a clue or doesn't care to have a clue what people want anymore that .... "

    Again, all they care about is money, that is the bottom line. If we would stop pouring so much into helping other countries and the war, they could totally take care of us with healthcare!! We need to take care of ourselves first before we can go around helping all these other people... for if we all die or are sick, how can we continue to help others ??? Our gov't will just sink us in the end unless they change.

  1. Del Says:

    Josh - I grew up in Dallas, so I will also point out that the Angelica types (I'm assuming you saw it there or the Magnolia.. maybe Inwood?) aren't exactly an accurate sampling of your average Dallasite... let alone Texan! Still it was a pleasure to read about your experience. What we really need to do is get these kind of movies out of the art house and into the cineplex. Its not like people have anything decent to watch in theaters these days (a Transformers movie?? gimme a break...)

    I haven't seen Sicko yet, but I have enjoyed Moore's films since Roger & Me, so I'm looking forward to it.

  1. JoshT Says:

    DEL SAYS:
    -----------------------------------
    Josh - I grew up in Dallas, so I will also point out that the Angelica types (I'm assuming you saw it there or the Magnolia.. maybe Inwood?) aren't exactly an accurate sampling of your average Dallasite... let alone Texan!
    ------------------------------------

    I agree Del, that's why I made it very VERY clear in my piece that I did NOT see the film with Angelika types. Had I seen it with that crowd, I don't think this would be such a big deal.

    Check my article again. See the second paragraph.

    I saw it in Arlington amongst "normal" Texans. Wasn't anywhere near the whole West Village, Angelika/Inwood/Magnolia crowd.

  1. chris Says:

    I am from Australia where we have a universal health care system with a private system for 'extras'. It works well, everyone can be treated at public hospitals all GPs can directly bill the government for the consulation fees or charge the client, it ain't perfect but nothing is.
    Your health system, like your chaotic voter registration and unfair electoral system, your crazy gun laws and your prison system, is baffling. It does not make sense to the rest of the world how such decent and intelligent people, as most Americans seem to be, do many of the simple, basic aspects of running a country so very badly. Is it something in the water over there?

  1. ejsmd@ca.rr.com Says:

    I am a physician, and I have worked in many University, Federal, VA and county hospitals, from the best (NIH) to the worst (VA).
    I took my husband, no fan of Moore, to Sicko. He got very involved in the film, not as much as the Texans. But there were leaflets distributed and a lot of conversation after the film. FYI, what Moore put on the screen is NOTHING, it is actually MILD, compared to what I have seen and personally experienced over the past 26 years of practice. I don't know if I could make myself do this again if I had to do it over.

  1. telecom Says:

    What makes America unique is not so much the notion of rugged individualism per se as it is the extreme degree to which rugged individualism is extolled as the national creed. It is invoked, insisted upon, referenced and cited ad infinitum in every discussion of social policy, in every arena of civic activity. Sure we have police, but your self-defense is your own responsibility so you better own some guns. And we really don't want Big Mother telling us we can't lead our lives any damn way we choose. And when somebody else's dreamy, meteoric ascension toward wealth, fame and immortality ends in everyday disability or incapacitation, well ... that's the price you pay for taking your shot in the world's greatest nation. They must be stupid or something. I mean, really: how hard can it be to get rich in America?

    The problem is, this wonderful and genuinely laudable ethos is now entering unfamiliar territory: our country and its many institutions are both now both old enough and big enough to have their own priorities. We are witnessing the largest intergenerational transfer of wealth in human history, and it brings with it movie stars whose parents are movie stars, wage earners whose parents are wage earners, a president whose father was a president.

    The most compelling thing about Sicko is that is attempts to dismantle the mythological part of Rugged Individualism; in truth, in the United States of America you can be talented and loyal and educated and hard working and ALSO be absolutely, deliberately destroyed by immensely large, impersonal and narrowly defined institutions. As Clint Eastwood said in Unforgiven, his myth-reversing western: Deserving's got nothing to do with it.

    Medical care may be a perfect testing ground for the reconciling of those two irreconcilable cornerstones of American identity: individualism, and an insistence on fair play. The former has always proved to be the more precious value, but people may change their tune when they come to understand the full degree of their disadvantage. And when that is also weighed against the physical lives of friends and family. If nothing else, it's a good time to stop and talk things over.

  1. Ben Says:

    The basis for universal or nationally subsidized health care is shared collective risk. You put your money in, according to ability to pay, and if you're unlucky enough to get sick and need expensive medical services, they are covered. This works with life insurance, car insurance, and all sorts of things for which that actuaries can run the numbers.

    If you don't need many medical services over your lifetime, you don't get them. But your money is not "wasted". I haven't had even a minor car accident for 8 years, but I pay for full insurance on my car every 6 months. I don't complain that I'm "not getting my money's worth". I'd rather be accident-free.

    We need to decide as a nation that we are willing to, in essence, pay for each other--take on that collective risk, at significant cost.

    Then, if we can:

    Change the health care model to emphasize preventative care;
    Move our culture towards one of healthy eating habits and regular exercise;

    We might have a chance of fixing this mess.

  1. none Says:

    Quote - "If you don't need many medical services over your lifetime, you don't get them. But your money is not "wasted". I haven't had even a minor car accident for 8 years, but I pay for full insurance on my car every 6 months. I don't complain that I'm "not getting my money's worth". I'd rather be accident-free."

    Just because you buy insurance doesn't mean you won't have an accident or a even a guarantee that your insurance company will pay if you are in one. Again all insurance companies/political system care about is money.

  1. aimai Says:

    What a great essay! I'm writing in to say I had the same experience here in my liberal city in my liberal state where my conservative/republican contractor who is working on my house has been defending his conservativismand republicanism to me for a year. No one could be more anti michael moore than he (though he's a nice guy). He saw Moore on Larry King Live and suddenly he's discovered left wing populism is *exactly* what he's been missing his whole life. We had a long conversation in which,as you say, moore went from being public enemy number one to abraham lincoln and a few others rolled into one.

    aimai

  1. zazkia Says:

    Hi everyone,

    I don't know anything about US laws but I figured... Is it possible in any way to start a community insurance compagny on a "do it yourself but without profit" basis?
    This would ensure that in case of illness, bills are payed. If in addition, some surgeons can be found within a community to cooperate, the costs can be significantly lowered.

  1. Criss Says:

    I cannot tell you how uplifting this story was to me. In my opinion, there is only one way to get this country and it's healthcare problem fixed. We have to stop bashing each other over our personal beliefs, and focus on what we have in common.

    I have two suggestions (I'm old and think I'm wise, so bear with me). First, we have to try and remember September 12th instead of the 11th. We were all united then. The whole world was with us. Remind your friends who may disagree with you politically of that, in a nice way. We've been lashing out at each other for way too long. Second, there is something you can do about how people feel after seeing SICKO. Print out some flyers with the names and contact numbers of your local representatives and take them with you to the theatre and hand them out. This should be easy enough to do. People will unite in shared probles, and that is the first step back to democracy. I think it's worth a try, anyway. Here's a number to call that will connect you to your representatives even if you aren't sure who they are. 1-202-225-3121.

  1. Crawford Kilian Says:

    As a Canadian, I hear a lot about our terrible waiting times, etc.--and while our health-care system has its problems, we're actively debating solutions to them...which puts us a step or two ahead of our American cousins. For over 40 million Americans, the waiting time is forever.

    My own experience with Canadian health care has been highly positive--from the care given to our older daughter when, as a toddler in 1972, she suffered an accidental scalding, to my own operation to remove a pesky gall bladder in 2001. For full coverage for my wife and myself, I pay about US$90 a month. We choose our own doctors; we've had our current GP since 1984, when our first GP retired. (But for many Canadians, finding a family physician is a problem...so they have to go to walk-in clinics, which are everywhere and very good.)

    Anecdotal evidence aside, the stats tell the story: Canadians live about three years longer than Americans, get sick less often, and suffer far lower infant mortality. And we spend a lot less of our GDP on health care than the Americans do.

    We're not scared of going broke if we see the doctor, so we see the doctor when we feel ill--and the doctor catches problems early, before they can go out of control.

    Maybe an American system would be somewhat different from ours, but if it couldn't deliver the life expectancy that ours does, something would be wrong with it.

  1. Billie Says:

    Josh, I work at a hospital and the second I said Michael Moore you would have thought I said a swear word! It's as if anything Michael Moore had to say was wrong and Un-American! If it wasn't for the Michaeal Moores in America we would surely sink into the problems that countries like Iran and North Korea where the thought of free speech is discouraged. You either agree with the government or you are dead!
    All of these "Christian-rightous" people need to realize that it's okay to disagree with the way our government does things and entertain the thought that new ways of making our country better might actually be something that Jesus would do. It's somehow un-christian the way we are treating the uninsured and the insured in this country. Christ would never refuse the sick and dying the care they needed!

  1. John Metz Says:

    1. I am Chairman of JustHealth. Since 1995, we have provided assistance to both consumers/patients and providers of healthcare, who have problems with the healthcare system - at no charge. (See more at end of comment)
    2. The stories in Sicko are consistent with those we have been involved in since 1995. Although the reality is even worse than he describes.
    3. Nevertheless, I wish JustHealth could have been as effective at telling the truth about our current system as Michael Moore has been.
    4. Michael gets it right enough and in such an effective way that, for the last week, I have personally observed well over a thousand people leaving showings of Sicko who have been moved in ways that no amount of data could have produced. I have spoken with many of them, watched the emotion rising in their voices, and heard them looking for things to DO to fix this system, which is eating at the Soul of our country.
    5. There are many groups and individuals who can help anyone find something to DO in this great endeavor. There are many practical things to do.
    6. It's not mystical.
    7. Michael Moore has opened a window of opportunity, which, if we are wise enough and courageous enough, we will step through, create a just healthcare system in our country and reclaim our greatness and humanity.
    8. The biggest obstacle to success is the belief that it can't be done.
    9. It's not true.

    ====================================================================
    JustHealth exists because we have a healthcare system that is cheating the American people out of the healthcare goods and services for which we are already paying. As a result, millions of Americans get sick, get sicker, stay sick longer, suffer more, die sooner - and often go bankrupt in the process.

    JustHealth's mission is to fix this and create a just healthcare system.

    We work to accomplish this by:

    1. Educating the public about the true state of our current healthcare system;

    2. Taking action to protect consumers and providers from dangerous, deceptive, dishonest, unfair or unlawful acts and practices;

    3. Proposing and supporting legislation and regulations that will foster a just healthcare system; and

    4. Being an advocate for consumers and providers in every available forum.


  1. Gordon Gecko Says:

    GREED IS GOOD! WHY does the US not have a National Health Plan??
    Kaiser Permanente, Humana, Blue Cross and the rest have not yet figured out how to continue to make obscene profits from a National Health Plan!
    When they do we WILL have National Health. GREED is the fuel of our society. We have the finest government private industry can buy!
    GG

  1. the VegaStar Says:

    I also agree with everything you said. I work and live here in Arlington and watched it on July 4 to a packed audience. There were young adults and mature ones. And during the middle, during the Cuba scene you heard emotional cries and felt anger in the room.

    As a fan of michael moore I am thrilled that he continues to push and create awareness of things that the mainstream media often can't wrap into a 6 second sound bite. This movie infuriates me and is even more of a crisis than I thought.

    As for conservative Texas. I believe that Dallas-Fort Worth is different than the other cities. You don't have people wearing 10 gallon hats or big hair does. Anyway this is a great issue and it's good that the local paper - the Star-Telegram - and other media has given this small movement a much needed spotlight.

    Arlington - by the way, just replaced their long standing Republican-congressman for a democrat. Why? Not because of party issues, but because of accountability. Republican or Democrat, if you have forgotten who you represent, then you too will be forgotten.

  1. LesIsmore Says:

    It's a good story. I hate to lay a bummer on the festival, but in McKinney, TX, 30 miles N of Dallas, and (according to all the real estate developers who say it like it's a good thing), "The Second-Fastest Growing City in America," you can't see "Sicko." It's not showing at any of the theaters in McKinney. You can see "Knocked Up" on your choice of several screens. Just not "Sicko."
    Today on the noon news broadcast of one of Dallas' major TV stations, a well-known, local movie reviewer said of "Sicko": "In this movie, Moore lays out the healthcare problem quite well, but DOESN'T OFFER ANY SOLUTIONS."
    I haven't seen the movie yet, but from things I've read about it, Moore offers at least 4 solutions. To wit, 1) The Canadian system, 2) The French system, 3) The UK system, 4) The Cuban system.
    We're screwed.

  1. Thogek Says:

    Gordon hits on some valid points. There is an enormous health insurance industry in the United States today, and introducing a national health care service would likely be seen by that industry as a threat to their profits, and anyone who knows how strongly industry interested can drive government policies knows that that is no trivial barrier...

    Also, anyone who knows much about how the pharmaceutical industry and the FDA work will know that reorienting the health care industry around preventative care (rather than just illness-treatment) will also be no small feat...

    Not that these things cannot or should not occur, but people need to understand the challenges involved...

  1. J R Says:

    Well, one huge roadblock to change in the US's healthcare system is that it's geared toward profit. Healing is a spiritual as well as physical act, and demanding cold hard cash seems to effectively sap all of the humanity out of the act of providing healthcare. We need to make healthcare a government thing; right now the few big companies who essentially own the US healthcare infrastructure are owned and operated by hard-core conservative Bush Reichers. Trust me, I know! I ran a cancer clinic in Texas for years, and there's very little room for compassion when it all comes down to what ICD-9 code the computer assigns you. The US healthcare system is a monstrosity, geared to fatten the bank accounts of a select few while providing vastly inferior healthcare to the rest of the US. Don't think for a second that these extremely powerful and well-connected business owners will voluntarily give up their cash cows; they'll use every resource at their disposal to keep Mr and Mrs Every-American under their thumbs.

  1. brian roper Says:

    Just got out of surgery Thurs. (see my site www.file23magazine.wordpress.com for all the gruesome details) and also watched SICKO yesterday. Maybe not as hard-hitting as F9/11, but a great effort anyways. If it can get that reaction out of a Texas audience, I wonder whats going on in the lobbies of the Berkely theaters...
    I've got insurance and have been paying for it for years. The hospital still demanded $2500 down on my much-needed hernia operation; had to borrow the money. I was in the hospital 4-5 hours tops. Ridiculous.

  1. drbukk Says:

    VA hospitals are a great example of government run health care. Whenever the government runs things, you have bloated beauracracy, cronyism, malingerers, useless lazy redundant people and purchasing departments with no accountability whatsoever.

    Insurance companies perform a vital service in reining in "obscene" doctor bills. Our US doctors make 5 times their European counterparts. Competition among insurance companies has made the Medicare Prescription Drug Program a resounding success costing far less than projected.

    At least one or two useless transcribing bimbos could be eliminated from every doctor's office if web-based technology were adapted by our Luddite physicians. How many billions would that save?

    US physicians keep their prices high by limiting their numbers. Let's expand our medical schools and let people post their opinions about doctors, and force doctors to post their prices so we have real competion for informed patients. The UK has imported foreign doctors who were not sufficiently vetted, to keep up with heightened demand for free services.

    100% of us will die. The families of those who don't have to pay often demand the most outlandish interventions (and forever blame the doctors) while people who are responsible for the payments can let go with dignity when there is no hope. I think every one of the posters on this forum fails to understand corporate efficiency, checks and balances supply and demand. and the venal nature of government control.

    I haven't seen Sicko but it sounds like a maudlin, one-sided tear-jerker. I invite anyone who wants Cuban-style medicine think about their Cuban-style paychecks limited to $30 a month, maximum. Would you like to depend on your daughter being a prostitute to put food on your table? That's Cuba. Did Michael Moore mention that?

  1. Josef Says:

    drbukk,

    Most of your arguments are addressed in the movie. You haven't seen it, then I suggest you at least give it a try so that you can argue effectively against the points that it brings up.

  1. Bruce Smith Says:

    Don't people realize that all members of congress and the senate have the best health coverage available, no questions asked. and who do you think pays for it. The U. S. Government. They have universal health care or as the conservatives call it...socialism. Why is it possible for the senators and congressmen (conservatives moderates and liberals) to have this service available to them while at the same time they are fighting so hard to keep it away from us. Write to your representatives in Washington and simply say. "I want universal health care. You have it. Why Can't I?"

  1. Independent Thinker Says:

    drbukk,
    You are not wholly correct in that the insurance companies keep prices down by reigning in obscene doctors bills.
    It has been well-documented that there are frequent flaws in billing by hospitals and other health care providers, but the onus falls onto the patient or one's caretaker to discover these and dispute them. Because the itemized bills are cryptic to understand, this is no easy task.
    As for your comment on Cuba and prostitution, that scare tactic is so immaterial and simplistic that it takes away from the rest of your words.

  1. Chris Says:

    I second Zazkia's question. It's something I've been wondering about too: why aren't there community-based groups, sort of like credit unions, where people join based on some affinity (e.g., geographic location, religion, industry, income, age) and pool monthly payments into a fund that is then used to pay medical bills? If doctors and hospitals participated and everyone along the provider chain agreed to keep expenses reasonable, and if membership required participating in a preventative program to keep emergency visits as low as possible... well, why wouldn't something like that work?

    I'm sure I'm missing something here, but I've always felt somewhat conned by insurance companies. I have been incredibly fortunate to have never suffered any major illness or accident, and all of the money I've paid (or that was paid on my behalf) to insurance companies over the years only increased the profits of those companies; meanwhile, I could never afford proper dental care (almost never insured for that, of course) and people all around me are driven to poverty by high bills and incomplete care because the insurance companies refuse to honor their side of the insurance agreement.

    So, does anyone know more about this? Why can't there be "insurance" co-ops or unions? Are there laws against it, or do the numbers just not work? It seems like the larger the group, the greater the risk you could assume financially.

  1. Canada Says:

    Go to canada for free health care. Look how crappy their system is now.
    We dont need that in the US.
    I'd rather the doctor that is cutting me open be worried about his practice if he messes up, rather then him not care at all because the government is going to pay him anyway.
    This country does not need such a dividing issue now, the war in iraq is still going on, and our leaders need our support.

  1. Meredith Says:

    Look at the best healthcare systems in the world. Obviously something is wrong with ours if we're ranked #37! France is #1. Let's do a quick comparison...

    France has a THREE-tiered system.

    Everyone is covered under the FIRST tier: National Health Insurance. So healthcare is free. And while the lines aren't so terrible to get in to see a doctor, getting to see a specialist or have an operation can take time.

    That's where the SECOND tier comes in: Non-profit Practices. These practices, as charities, are run off of endowments and offer further free health-care, off-setting the waiting lists and lines at the public hospitals.

    Still too much wait-time? Try out the THIRD tier - Private healthcare providers, paid for with endowments and supplemental health insurance offered to 80% of the country through employers.

    This means that EVERYONE is taken care of, on multiple levels. It's socialized healthcare with the competition that Dan D. raves about above.

    Also, in comparision. The U.S. spends only about $1.9 trillion on healthcare (in comparision to France's $1.6 trillion), but has more than 3.5 times the population of France. Those numbers are way out of balance.

    Not everything great comes from America. We should be the great innovators - take the best of the best and improve on it. We need to take a clue from the best healthcare system in the world - they got it right.

  1. Joey Smallwood Says:

    About the long lines for service in Canada and the UK..

    I live(d) in both the US and Canada. Yes, there are lines at the hospitals in Canada. Why? Because if it is Saturday and you've got this unbearable cough that won't go away, a Canadians' first instinct would be to go to hospital. An American would NEVER think this. They'd just bear it until their family doctor opened 9am Monday morning, since you'd be looking at least at a $100 ER visit copay versus a $30 copay. People in Canada stub their toes at 2am they'll go to hospital. The point is anytime anyone has a medical problem outside of their GP's normal business hours, they'll go to hospital because they can. Those people who don't have an emergency are going to wait for care at the hospital. That's the way triage works. Now if you were having a heart attack, you chopped off your finger or whatever, you'll get care right away. The guy with the sore toe may have to wait a couple of hours but he will get care rather than not at all. Canadians are spoiled with such an all enveloping health care system, and they should be! Americans will take the same advantage of the system when it comes along. People who need care right away will get care right away. Another gripe is waiting for MRI's. I have no problem waiting a couple weeks for an MRI if I don't really need it right away. I could still pay for an open MRI at a non-OHIP (Ontario Health) covered clinic out of pocket if I wanted one the same day. I have that option, and it'd still be cheaper than getting one in the states. I'll tell you this though, when my wife was admitted to ER and needed a CAT scan, she got one within the hour. If you NEED something NOW, you will get it NOW. Wait lines or not, people live longer in Canada, and there's good reason for that. Thinking about how much this costs the government? Canada has a budget surplus and actually has cut taxes. The US needs to cut some of that money spent on pointless wars and spend it on universal health care. There'll be a bump in taxes but I bet it'd be less than what you have to pay now for health insurance, especially if you actually had to make any claims. If change isn't inspired yet, imagine what it'll be like when scientists identify more genetic markers for conditions and illnesses. Soon you would see insurance companies requiring blood tests before being accepted into a plan. Your premiums would go up if you had a genetic marker for high cholesterol, and you'd be flat out denied if you had a genetic marker that said you could get cancer. Is this the kind of future you want to see?

  1. Bob Says:

    This all sounds great but we do not live in a democracy, we live in a REPRESENTATIVE democracy. This means we have forfieted our vote to an elected representative. Since they will never pass laws restricting the flow of cash from lobbiests and since healthcare & related industry's lobbiests outnumber our elected representatives so greatly & spend so freely, where do you suppose that leaves the rest of us? We cannot even get a fair count during elections, why would I think our elected officials would be afraid of losing power? It is a shame our founders did not envision a mechanism for grass roots change which we could use for problems like health care/Iraq/global warming...which could be acted upon universally like a national referendum!

  1. jack hound Says:

    just imagine if the healthplan insurance companies ran the restaurants and grocery stores.

    "That apple's 8.50'

    '8.50?????????but it's full of spots.'

    'well, fill out this form.'

  1. Bart B Says:

    Good discusion here...I wanted to say that in Europe , its the unions that help the people...It seems in america they don't like unions or unions lost power. What happens in Europe is that unions organise protest. They speak to eachother and can shut down the whole country.. The people have the power, but all the people need to work together. That why its important to have a network to be able to react.

    i hope u guys manage to get universal coverage...Organise protest, try to get in the media,

    If you want great education, healthcare,...U have to pay more taxes.. Im happy to pay alot of taxes because we get alot in return...

  1. Dave Says:

    in answer to drbukk,
    VA Hospital problem is twofold, under funding (by a administration that finds no problem with wasting hundreds of billions to trillions of dollars in a quest for an impossible empire) and overuse by a very needy patient population, those directly effected by this insane military gamble.

    I've worked for many large corporations including medical insurance companies and inefficient bureaucracy rules them all, not to mention the quest for huge profits and bloated executive compensation. Medicare is extremely effective and many times more efficient than private insurance but again suffers because they "insure" only the sickest population, while private insurance cherry picks the cream, leaving millions uninsured or under insured.

    And this terrible uncontrolled chaos of redundancy and inconsistency leaves doctors and hospitals with little choice but to over charge those who can pay or have no choice, while they fight with the insurance companies for some percent of costs. The patient is caught between these behemoth forces by ever escalating premiums, co pays, "exceeds reasonable and customary charges" and pre-existing condition exclusions and forced to make up the difference or go without care.

    What the rest of the civilized world has learned is that national health systems (including single payer non socialist) do is introduce a high level of efficiently by reducing paper shuffling and superfluous bureaucracy costs inherent in the thousands of different plans with different coverages and payment (or non-payment) rules. They also insure everyone, rich and poor, healthy and sick, which spreads the risk while allowing for superior medical care for all. Everyone pays, this is not "free" care, but everyone is covered and an unlucky draw of the medical crisis short straw doesn't force a family in bankruptcy and poverty as it so often does in the United States. Unanticipated catastrophic medical costs are the leading cause of personal bankruptcy in the U.S, and now safety net has been shredded.

  1. Lisa Says:

    I have been living in China for nearly 15 years. There are now more choices than ever for healthcare. Seven years ago I paid about 150 dollars for neurosurgery with excellent results. Dental care is cheap, clean and modern. Chinese traditional medicine stresses prevention and is accessible to all. But the scary side of China's economic development is that big state-run and the new, private hospitals now seem to be taking their cue from the current American model, a few of which have opened in a district heavily populated with foreign nationals. I dare not step inside. The consultation fees alone cost more than procedures, x-rays and medications at Chinese hospitals. I also was not impressed with the care I received by the foreign doctors. While both Chinese and foreign women can give birth in a reputable local hospital for less than 500 dollars, the new "American" hospital, which employs both Chinese and foreign staff, charges more than 20k. "It's okay, we have insurance," say the foreign mothers-to-be when I ask them if they balk at the huge fees. It is certain that local private hospitals are taking their cues from this model and creating facilities catering to the rich and emerging middle class. The brain drain on the big hospitals will no doubt follow, leaving the poor, once again, to suffer. I can only laugh when I return to the States and people come at me with talk of "communism" and "Red China". It's not only McDonald's, Coca Cola and Pizza Hut which is helping to corrupt the health of the Chinese people.

  1. Isadore Says:

    "Canada,", our health care system here does have its flaws, but moving to a privatized health care system such as the United States has now (a system which people are obviously unhappy with) would be a step backwards. I have never found that Canadian doctors are incompetent because they are not preoccupied with being sued (a doctor can be sued for malpractice in Canada, too).

    Our doctors are fine. Our government simply doesn't put enough money into the universal health care system because they are attempting to bully us into reverting to a private system like the U.S. That is why we have unacceptable wait times for medical care. However, such a private system would only benefit third party insurance carriers, medical supply companies, Big Pharma....and hospitals would become businesses, more concerned with money than with care provision.

    If Americans begin to fiercely fight for universal health care, and this is reflected in the voting process, it would greatly benefit Canada as well. The American reaction to Sicko, and its call for universal health care, could give our politicians an example of what could happen to their popularity here if they continue to neglect our public system. Even with its problems, I don't know many Canadians who are willing to abandon our universal health care system. We just need to repair it.

  1. Sicko Says:

    This is a beautiful story. I truly feel that when people understand what's happening with health care that they will support a universal health care plan 100%. Our system is broken, pathetic, and CORRUPT.

    Every American should see SiCKO and make being pro Universal Health Care an absolute essential component of any candidate they will support.

  1. Ras Debol Says:

    While I fully agree that EVERYONE in the USA should have full healthcare without fear of insurance rejection or going totally bankrupt, I fear that the citizens of this country will not be willing to pay the price. France and other countries have MUCH higher taxation of it citizens. In return they get much better services. Would americans be willing to submit to 40-50% taxation?
    I doubt it. We all want something for nothing. We seem to want to put in $1 and get $2 out and then complain about the national debt. Any politician displaying a sense of reality and good leadership by saying he would have to charge more taxes would NEVER get elected in this country. Even the Boy Scouts have Adult Supervision, we do not....We GET the "leaders" we deserve. Just my .02 cents. -RAS

  1. Thomas Sheahan Says:

    American are not in the top 25 for life expectancy, yet, America is NUMBER ONE for expense, by far. America spend close to 15% of its entire GDP on healthcare. Countries like Australia spend close to 5% of GDP, and they are the second longest living people on the planet.The system is too expensive and as horrible outcomes! Universal Healthcare is the way forward. It is cheaper and better outcomes!! I went to university in Dallas, and I have been living in the UK and Australia for the past decade, both offer superior and cheaper healthcare.

    Healthcare should not be a privledge put a right! Americans dont see this, because you dont travel. Get a passport and get on a plane and talk to people for yourself. Wake Up!! You are getting screwed !!

  1. Joanna McKenna Says:

    Picture this: each time you have the oil changed in your car, or get new tires or new wiper blades or buy a gas additive, your car insurance pays for it. Does this happen? OF COURSE NOT. Why not? Because this would make car insurance unaffordable. Do employers offer car insurance as a benefit? OF COURSE NOT. This is YOUR responsibility, same as rent or the mortgage, food and your other personal expenses. Health insurance became the cash cow for health insurance providers and drug companies when it was made an employment "benefit", and thereby stripped us of the advantage of a free market economy: competition that keeps prices down. I have full coverage on my car for about $55US a month, which includes more medical coverage than I could ever have otherwise. For medical expenses incurred in an accident. In other words, for a catastrophe...what health insurance SHOULD be for, not for "oil changes, tires, and wiper blades", things we SHOULD pay for out of pocket, and which most do ANYWAY as part of the yearly "deductible" (which oddly enough, doesn't roll over from one year to the next...). If you're historically healthy and have no pre-existing medical condition, you'd be better off putting the monthly premium in a savings or money market account and letting it sit until you need it for a medical emergency. Alas, under the present system, this is not an option.

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