The Thing Set Visit Interview: Mary Elizabeth Winstead
Thanks to Ridley Scott and James Cameron, the bar has been set for heroines in the sci-fi genre with Ellen Ripley: She sucked the xenomorph out of the airlock in Alien and killed the queen with the power loader in Aliens - certifiable badass. Since then, there has been a long line of female heroes, from Linda Hamiltonís Sarah Connor in The Terminator to Carrie-Ann Mossí Trinity in The Matrix. Perhaps next in that long line will be Mary Elizabeth Winsteadís Kate Lloyd.
While visiting the set of Matthijs van Heijningen Jr.ís The Thing this past summer in Toronto, Winstead, sporting a black tank-top and a fake cut on her forehead, sat down with us journalists to discuss her personal feelings about the original John Carpenter film, the lack of a romance, and wielding a flamethrower to try and get rid of the alien menace.
Are you almost done?
Almost, yeah. We have just over a week left. Itís a bit daunting because it feels like we have a lot to do, but weíll do it!
Are your heaviest scenes behind you or is there some stuff left that you have to do
Yeah, I mean, weíve pretty muchó weíve doneó all of the sort of heavy acting scenes weíve done. I mean, thereís really hardly any dialogue left. Itís all sort of capturing bits and pieces of short action pieces and stuff like that that we need to fill in.
So howís the experience been so far?
Itís been really great. Itís a really good group of people and everybodyís really genuinely excited and really wants to make this as great a film as it can be and as great of a companion piece as it can to the John Carpenter film while being sort of our own unique and different, you know, film. And Matthijs is fantastic. Heís a real great actorís director which has been really great for me to be doing a picture thatís considered to be, you know, a genre picture, but to have it so focused on performance has been really, really great.
Whatís your personal relationship with John Carpenterís original film?
I am a huge fan. I saw it ... five years ago for the first time? I just fell in love with it. I thought it was great. Performances were amazing. Just, the sort of tension. I thought it was a really, really great film. So when I got the script I was a littleó I was excited, but a little worried, you know, because it was kind of like, ďHow can you remake The Thing?Ē So I was excited to see that itís a true prequel; itís really not a remake. Weíre not trying to recreate the same charactersó completely different people, theyíre completely separate. Their own characters, but just put in similar situations and a similar world to the world the John Carpenter film takes place in.
So did they come after you or did you go after the project?
It was kind of a bit of both. They sort of contacted me and said, you know, ďA lot of people involved in the project want you for the part, but thereís a couple people who arenít so sure.Ē So I had to sort of go in an audition and convince some of the people who werenít convinced on me, you know, that I should get the part. So, it turned out OK.
Well sheís definitely a strong, independent, intelligent character who ends up really taking care of herself in this situation, so I think she sort of fits in with that theme of strong heroines in the genre. But whatís nice about her is sheís sort ofó sheís a real person. You know, sheís a scientist. Sheís not a bad ass chick who comes in to, like, save the day. She sort of just has to become strong throughout this situation and become stronger than she ever thought she could be. And so she kind of has to take on this new life and become this new person by the end of the film than she is in the beginning. So, itís a reallyó itís nice. Iím not sort of, you know, just trying to be a bad ass action hero, Iím trying to play this, you know, part as true as I can.
Even though there are new characters and itís a different film, since your characterís at the center of things, would you say that thereís some of MacReadyís spirit thatís in her?
Sure, I mean, I think between my character and Joel [Edgerton]ís character I think thereís definitely that spirit, you know, itís definitely there. I think itís probably more for Joel because heís playing the helicopter pilot so thereís sort ofó that personality is kind of represented in the film. Even though heís totally doing his own performance and heís completely great in his own way, I think that the MacReady spirit is probably a bit more represented in him. But, you know, I think, hopefully, I sort of have a little bit of it too, you know, unintentionally.
One thing that sounds nice is that there isnít really a romantic relationship between the two characters. Theyíre both professionals.
Exactly, I mean ... trying to force that into the film would be a little ridiculous because things start falling apart as soon as she enters the base, so [laughs] I donít think thereís any time for any sort of sexual tension to build or romantic, you know, feelings to start coming forth. Itís reallyó their connection is that they feel like they can trust each other for whatever reason. And they donít really know why, they just feel like, ďHereís somebody I can trust, hereís somebody that, you know, Iím gonna sort of cling on to help get me through this.Ē And thatís really, you know, where the connection lies.
It is really interesting because in John Carpenterís film itís all men in snow and completely isolated. Does the film address having women in this isolated fort?
Yeah, well, I mean, we address it in a subtle way, I think, of just sort of everyone having a different opinion about her being there, you know, when she shows up and sheís sort of a young woman. And especially the character Sander, whoís the one who sort of brought her along, Basically the reason he brings her along is because he thinks sheíll be easy to control, and heíll be able to take all the credit, heíll do everything his way and he wonít have anybody getting in his way whoís gonna try and, you know, speak their mind, so to speak. [Laughs] He sort of thinks that Iíll be, you know, easy. So, he sort of comes to find that sheís a little bit stronger and more intelligent than he had anticipated. So yeah, everyone has an opinion about her and who she is and why sheís there and how they feel about it.
Are you a fan of the genre? Did you grow up a horror fan? Any favorites, aside from the original The Thing?
Well, Iím a fan of films in general, I mean, I donít think Iíve ever considered myself specifically a horror fan even though I do enjoy horror films, find them really entertaining. Iíve always been a huge fan of The Shining, and Rosemaryís Baby is one of my favorite films of all time. And The Thing is one of my favorites. So I think part of the reason why Iím sort of drawn to it or itís drawn to me or something, is just because thereís always a lot of kind of strong female characters represented as heroines in horror films. Well, not always, but often. And so thatís fun for me to play, so itís been really great.
Itís actually very similar to the tone and the pace of the first. It sort of starts outó one of the actors was describing it the other day and I thought it was a really good way to say it: It starts out as a drama, sort of slowly turns into a thriller, and slowly turns into a horror film, and then turns into an action film. So thatís sort of howó you know it starts out as just these characters getting to know each other ó sort of, you know, feeling each other out ó then something starts going wrong and you start playing the whole ďwhodunitĒ sort of game of like, whoís the thing and whoís not. Then, you know, people start dying, and things get really sort of bloody and scary and then, you know, youíve got to sort of take care of business and get tough and sort of get into action. So thatís sort of, you know, how it feels to me.
As an actress, is it very difficult balancing all those different things or is it fun to have all this different stuff to play with in one movie?
Itís been really fun. I mean itís definitelyó like I was saying before, itís been a lot more performance-focused than I expected. The first couple of months of shooting were just [laughs] acting every day, which was really great, to just come in and to just talk about scenes all day long, and discuss with each other our characters and how we feel about, you know, the scene and whatís happening in each moment. I think that thatís really going to be something that sets this film apart from other genre films.
Is there an equivalent blood scene, like in John Carpenterís version thereísó they draw their blood and touch the fire to it. Is there a scene
Yeah, I mean, thereís a scene thatís sort of less definitive than that. Thereís a test that we do that sort of just separates who is suspicious and who is most likely trustworthy. So, we sort ofó we have a test that doesnít say whoís a thing and whoís not definitively, but we at least sort of separate it into two camps. Which sort of adds to the paranoia. It makes other people pit against each other and ďhow dare you turn against me.Ē Itís a great moment in the film that amps up that level of paranoia and attention.
In John Carpenterís The Thing, it doesnít seem like we see your character. We do see the remains of some characters and warped fusions of characters. But am I wrong, do we see your character in the original film on the destroyed Norwegian base?
Not my character. But we definitely go through and we include all of those bits. The mystery of the Norwegian base and all of those moments are definitely explained in this film.
Whatís it like working with a creature? Are you getting blood and guts thrown at you all day?
It depends. Every sort of scene has been different. Every time the Thing is shown, itís shown in a completely different way. Or it looks different or itís manifested in a different way. Sometimes weíre dealing with a huge animatronic puppeteer creatures. And sometimes itís only half there and the rest will be CGed. Itís interesting to see all the different ways theyíve been working this out. Itís been really great to have something there to act to, itís not just a green screen, itís actually moving, and something actually set on fire. So itís been fun.
Definitely. We have some really wonderful and unique actors who have just been creating moments that are just wow. You watch them back and you think thatís really wonderful, special and different. Especially having so many Norwegian actors it feels like such a special unique thing to this film. They bring such a cool energy. Itís so different from anything else you see on film. Thereís one scene that is my favorite scene that weíve shot. Where weíre all celebrating after weíve found this creature, and weíre all drinking. And they all break out into this completely improvised Norwegian folksong. Theyíre dancing and they are singing different parts and harmonizing, and jumping, and sloshing their beers, and itís all pouring out. It was so much fun to shoot. But then when you watch it back itís actually really sad because you know that these people are going to die. Itís kind of haunting and really wonderful. So thereís moment like that where you think that this is going to have a lot of really cool stuff.
Whatís your relationship been like with the flamethrower?
Itís been mostly great. Itís a little heavy sometimes, and a little rough to run around with. But itís fun, ití actually instantly makes you carry yourself differently. Empowering, youíve got this power in your hands to set something on fire. Watching it back Iíve been really surprised to watch myself look that crazy. You instantly get this different look in your face when youíre burning something, like youíve lost your mind. Itís kinda cool.
Whatís been the most horrifying moment to shoot?
Itís hard to say. Every time weíve been dealing with The Thing, itís been really freaky. Thereís one particular scene I did where was an actual person was on fire and running through a hallway, you know, on fire, it was [phew]. And they have this thing now thatís fire retardant gel, so youíre just setting their skin on fire. We have to actually set people on fire. For me, thatís a little bit terrifying. But itís exciting to see because it looks awesome.
Speaking of the physical challenges has there been a scene or a moment that you found the most demanding in that regard.
Thereís a scene where my character kind of starts to lose it a little bit. And thatís actually during the scene where they are testing people and trying to keep people separated. And thatís actually my test, and Iím sort of in charge of it. Nobody really wants to go along with what Iím doing, and they all start to try and overthrow my control and I start to lose it a little bit. Thatís kind of the point in the film when everything starts to spiral out of control. Nobody knows who to trust anymore and thereís nobody to look to for an answer. It was one of the most fun scenes, but it was also really challenging because my character, for the most part, keeps it really together and is really focused. I had to figure out how to let her lose it, to a certain point, but also come back to reality enough so you believe that she can survive a little bit longer.
How much of the film is going to be in subtitles?
A lot. We did a lot of versions where we would do at the end, ďOK now do an English version just in case.Ē Iím not sure exactly what theyíre going to decide to do. But thereís definitely a lot of scenes with Norwegian. Which has been great, especially for my to not know what people are talking about. I donít know if theyíre talking about me, so you freak out a little.
So it adds to the paranoia?
Absolutely. People canít understand each other. It adds another layer for sure.
Theyíll just figure it all out in editing?
Itís the same as no do a scene without the f-word, just in case. Itís that sort of thing which is tacked in on the end just in case someone has a problem with that scene being in Norwegian. But for the most part I think itís really cool. I think Matthijs [the director] really likes that thereís a lot of Norwegian in it. It has that feel about it I think that adds to the film feeling very European. Having a European director and a large European cast. It sort of has that feel about it. Which is very cool.
I will say Iím definitely ready to smile in a movie. You get used to being a character after a while. Sheís somebody who is really serious and dedicated and focused, so I try to bring to her. It hasnít been too taxing on this one because I think that everyone is so wonderful and everyone is so collaborative. Itís been a really laid back wonderful experience overall.
Whatís it like working inside a spaceship?
We havenít really gotten to that yet. Weíve got the set there but were sort of building up to. Thatís going to be all next week that weeks.
How much of the movie is spent inside the spaceship?
Not much. I think that it would be spoilerish to say more than that about it. But yes, itís sort of a reveal at a certain point.
Have you had much interaction with the creatures yet?
Iíve had a little bit. Weíve had a few big creature scenes and Iíve been involved with most of them. Theyíve all been different but theyíve all been interesting.
How do you think they look, are you scared when you are in the scene?
Whatís funny is they look completely different when you look at playback on the monitors, than they do doing it. Sometimes it feels maybe not quite real when youíre doing it. But then when you see it when you go and watch playback you think, ďOh my god thatís so creepy and real on film.Ē And when youíre looking at it in person you know itís gel for blood and all this stuff that you know logically isnít real. Itís been really cool to see how it translates.
Is there any chance that this movie wonít be rated R?
I canít imagine. I canít imagine.
Are you guys going in the direction for a hard R?
I would think so yeah. As an actor I have no control over those things. But as far as the way weíve been shooting it, I think they would have a very hard time trying to make it anything less than an R.
Do you have the genre bug now? Do you want to keep making horror films and sci-fi movies?
I love playing characters that are strong, when thereís physicality involved. And when you get to do lots of fun challenging. It seems to be that, thatís where those sort of roles lie.
As a fan of the film, do you think other fans will be pleased with this movie?
I think they will. I think theyíll be really pleasantly surprised. I think a lot of fans immediately go, ďuggghĒ when they hear that someone is doing a prequel or a remake, they sort of assume the worst sometimes. So Iím really excited for them to see this because I think theyíre going to be really surprised as to how sort of respectful it is to the John Carpenter version, and how dedicated we all have been to make it really cool and fun for them to see.
Your character is very much in the spirit of Ripley, is that ever daunting, do you associate with her at all?
Thatís another one of my favorite films. But Iím not watching that in between takes, or anything like that. I know that one of the things that Matthijs saw in me that he liked, was he thought that I embodied that somewhat. And Alien and Ripley are big inspirations for him. They are two iconic things that are in his head all of the time. So I took that as just being flattering, thatís all I can really do. Iím hugely flattered that he sees me as being somewhat relatable to that character and I just go forth.
How is your character flawed? I think sheís a control freak. Sheís flawed in tons of ways, Iím sure as I am. So I try to bring my flaws to her. But I think ultimately sheís a control freak and she thinks she knows how to do everything, and everything that she thinks is right. But sometimes itís not. Iíd say thatís her main flaw.
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