Writer/Director Ti West Talks About Creating Atypical Horror Film The Innkeepers
The Innkeepers isnít your typical modern horror film. It lacks an overabundance of gore, it doesnít fully rely on cheap jump scares, and itís completely unafraid to be both charming and funny. The reason for this is because writer/director Ti West didnít set out to make a typical modern horror film, and the result is one of the best weíve seen from the genre in recent years.
I recently had the chance to sit down with West to talk about his newest film, which is currently available on VOD and arrives in theaters this Friday. In addition to talking about his approach, he also discussed the character of Claire and how he knew that Sara Paxton was the perfect actress for the part, and how an existential crisis in the minimum wage world inspired the film. Check it out!
In your opinion, what makes a good horror film?
I think a good horror movie, like anything else, should be a movie first, a horror movie second and it should treat the movie like a movie and you treat it with respect and you treat the characters like people and like characters that people should care about. Then when the technical stuff, the horror stuff, comes in, youíve got the audience. You have to be a step ahead of the audience in order for it to be scary. And the only way to do that is to get them on the same page as the characters. So thatís why I think there needs to be a lot of contrast and use as much non-horror as there is horror and thatís why I think people always say ďslow burnĒ about me. I donít think Iím even aware that Iím doing that, but to me itís just like I want to see her take out the trash, I want to hang out with them eating sandwiches out of aluminum foil. If you rewatch this movie, I donít think you rewatch it to see a ghost. I think you rewatch it to see that trash scene again, to see the pigeon almost touch her. Thatís, to me, thatís the heart of the movie and thatís the charm of the movie, and I wanted to make a charming ghost story. And thatís all the stuff when you see blood on her head later you go, ďI donít know if I like this. Sheís not supposed to get hurt.Ē
Thatís very different from the lowest common denominator ďkill every ten minutesĒ, ďscare every ten minutes.Ē Those are almost geared towardsÖ itís like they believe their audiences are morons and that if you donít give them something every ten minutes theyíll [pretends to drift off]. What an insulting way to look at an audience! But then again thereís a huge audience for those movies, so I donít know what that says about things. I donít go to the movies for escapism, so I donít make movies for it either. And itís totally fine that people do, I get it, but I love to be challenged in a movie, I love thinking about a movie afterwards and I love seeing a movie twice and seeing other elements, and I love to see movies where a filmmaker is in control. I love when you see a movie and you go, ďThatís a movie by so-and-so,Ē because I can just feel it. I got off subject right there, butÖ
It is. Itís trying to put you in their place. And I think that because I write, direct and edit the movie, I, probably more than I should, use the characters as a conduit for myself and for what Iím trying to thematically accomplish as well. But what I want to do isÖI mean, Iím either qualified to make movies or be a bus boy, I donít have any intermediate skills. But Iím forever charmed, as much as I donít want to go back to minimum wage jobs, Iím really charmed by that. I remember clearly, just as a filmmaker, I had existential crises as a minimum wage job person, the first time you realize that ďOh my god, is there supposed to be more than this?Ē And I think thatís when she meets and Kelly and Kelly says, ďWhat do you do?Ē ďI work at the hotel.Ē ďNo, what do you really do.Ē ďI work at the hotelÖĒ And then it calls into question is there something wrong with what Iím doing and ďOh my god, the rest of my life what am I supposed to do?Ē And that kind of being lost and being stuck I thought was a good parallel to what ghosts must feel like when theyíre stuck in some place and whether itís okay or whether itís not, whether itís scary or whether itís not, and what their message is and what there isnít.
Itís all very confusing and that, to me, was something that Iíd never seen before. Iíve never seen a charming ghost story or a minimum wageÖbecause minimum wage-type slackers, they donít belong in a 1800s-type ghost story like the movie is! But I wanted to see how they would react to it because Iím tired of seeing 1800 ghost stories with people from the 1800s reacting. I know how they react, Iíve seen it enough times. Iím tired of seeing the killer in the woods kill people in the same way, but this time the head flips and lands on a spike. ďYeah, okayÖĒ But I wanted to kind of play with that irony a little bit. But my goal is to make everyone go, ďI love Claire, I know Claire, I am Claire, oh shit. Now I can put myself in the perspective of this movie.
With that in mind, the casting of Sara Paxton is obviously important, so how did you know that she was the right actress for the role?
When I met her she was a goofball and I didnít anticipate that in the least. I wasnít familiar with her, she was doing a movie with a friend of mine, I called my friend and I said, ďWhatís the deal with this chick?Ē and she went on and on about how great she was. We sent Sara the script, she read it, she liked it, and she called me and she said a lot of great stuff about it. And it was really satisfying to hear someone talk about the movie with such excitement and really understand what I was going for, which, believe it or not, most people didnít. And itís really important because, just like with House of the Devil, once you cast that Claire role or once you cast the Sam role in House of the Devil, dude, thatís on you now. Youíre in every frame of the movie. We got to be sure that you know what this is. And then she came out to L.A. and I met her and she was like a goofball. If you Google image search Sara you see glamorous Sara Paxton Ė Sara Paxton is glamorous Ė but sheís also like ďrararararara.Ē [laughs] And I was like, ďWhy are people hiding this?Ē Every movie that sheís been in they hide that. Theyíre like, ďPut that somewhere else, we donít want to see that,Ē and I was like, all I want to see is this girl fumbling with stuff and trying to figure out who she is and all these things that I was fascinated by. So we pushed it to the limit.
I just sort of imagined it would work. To me, the way to charm the audience was to make the audience laugh. If you make the audience laugh you have them where you want them, and youíre ahead of them again. Itís like a weird magic trick, as long as they donít see how you did it, it works. The second that they know how to do itÖ and thatís why everyone knows that if somebody opens the mirror and then close the mirror, itís behind them. But now weíve gone so far that you open and close the mirror and itís not there, and itís when they turn. And that was a big part of House of the Devil. Iím going to make Jocelin [Donahue] go through every room of this house and youíre going to think that something is going to happen in every one, and nothing. By the time sheís done doing that, youíre going to go, ďI donít know whatís going to happen because I canít believe she went into five fucking rooms in this movie.Ē But then I was like, ďGood, now you donít know whatís going to happen, letís watch the movie now.Ē And I think itís similar in this, in that I disarmed the people with comedy.
Also, I love the horror genre, but Iíve made five horror movies in six years so to just go out and do the typical horror stuff is not the most exciting thing for me anymore. If I went in and said, ďI want to make this workplace comedy,Ē everyone would go, ďYou donít do that, you do horror movies.Ē ďYeah, but read the script. Itís pretty funny. Pat [Healy] and Sara will be really funny in it, and letís say thereís no ghost.Ē ďNo, weíre not interested in that.Ē Okay, but if itís in a horror movie it gets made, but itís no less funny! And Iíve watched the movies with audiences and theyíve laughed way more than I anticipated they would. Itís a very successful comedy in that regard, and Iím not seen as somebody that can do comedy.
So, in a way, itís because Iím fortunate to be able to make movies and make genre movies, Iím always trying to expand. Because to me, whatís exciting about the horror genre is itís the most diverse genre that exists. Itís basically experimental film. You can make a horror movie and basically do anything in it, anything from Antichrist to We Need To Talk About Kevin to Friday the 13th. There are so many, but what happens? They make the same derivative movie over and over again. Itís so disappointing, whereas The Innkeepers is one of those movies where itís like it is absolutely a horror movie, itís a ghost story, very scary, but itís like itís not just like some other one. Itís also a really funny movie and itís a really charming movie. And I wish more movies were like that. You know, Attack the Block is a great example. Attack the Block, Antichrist and We Need To Talk About Kevin are recent movies that I think are all horror movies. This is what the genre has to offer. This is insane. But you just get remakes and sequels.
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