When TV shows reach a certain level of popularity, all of their qualities are generally embraced by the viewing audience, warts and plot contrivances and everything else that wouldn’t feel right in a different series. But once you can take a step back and look at things from an objective standpoint, some of the glaring faults become all the more obvious, and it often comes down to one awful character (or more) stinking up the joint.

Here are 11 popular characters from comedy series throughout the years that we should all just formally agree are the worst. I apologize to those of you who may love one or more of these choices, but if you happen to love all 11, then I apologize to everyone who knows you. Because these people are terrible.

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Ross (Friends)
Ross would be the poster child for this list if the posters weren’t already covered in drawings of dinosaurs and shit. Played to admitted drab perfection by David Schwimmer, Ross is just as self-involved as the rest of the Friends characters, only he’s got so much less self to be involved with. He’s randomly terrible with women, he tells work stories that he understands no one else cares about, and despite his obvious care for his sister and the rest, he can often be a lunkheaded asshole. The biggest proof of Ross’ lack of worth came with Rachel’s new boyfriend Russ, an attempted portrayal at a “worse Ross” that was basically just the same thing, only a little quieter.

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