Interview: Spy Kids 4 Director Robert Rodriguez
Robert Rodriguez is a strange director. While the filmmaker is responsible for some of the bloodiest, most violent action films of the last 20 years Ė including Desperado, Sin City, and Machete - he always dedicates some of his time making films for his children. The most successful of these has been the Spy Kids franchise, the fourth of which is set to debut in theaters tomorrow.
A few weeks back I was invited to participate in a roundtable interview with Rodriguez to talk about his newest film. Check out the conversation below in which he talks about developing Aromascope, his upcoming slate and exactly what happened to his Red Sonja project.
So what happened to Antonio Banderas?
You know what, Antonio, I had written him into the script, he was in an early version of the script, heíd always say, ďOh if you need me, call me.Ē One of the early cast lists that went out had his name still in there, but he ended up not being in the movie. He was going to be the one, because itís Jessicaís brother, Jessicaís brother is a total character, so when she gets the assignment to go take the necklace back, that was going to be him she was talking to. That part of the movie, we had to just make it shorter, and I didnít want him just coming on for two seconds. His character is too important. Iíd rather save it for a sequel where we can give him a bigger role and then reveal that, so Iím saving it for another movie. I have some good ideas. But he was very willing to do it.
For the next Spy Kids?
If we do another one. If this one turns out well weíll do another one in 5D. It could be, they are all audience dependent. The first one too, we made the first one knowing, ďWeíre just making the first one,Ē but it did so well that we went ahead and made a second one and then a third one, then a fourth one.
Did the Aromascope come because itís the fourth one? Is that where the idea came from?
Yeah, I mean, I was thinking already to do 4D. It was a very innovative series of itís time in a very scrappy way. The first one was probably about a step above the times, no one was really making family films at that time, so it kind of hit pretty big. The second one I switched to digital, which brought the idea that, ďI bet I could bring 3D back if I shot digital, you could do digital 3D, just put two cameras together.Ē So Spy Kids 3D was the first 3D movie in like twenty years, and it was the biggest of the Spy Kids, so it kind of started this whole resurgence of 3D. I knew if we did 4D we needed to push the envelope one more time, so I remembered seeing a John Waters movie in the eighties called Polyester that had a scratch and sniff thing, so I thought, ďOh, Iíll do that, Iíll do Aromascope.Ē
How much did you get involved in developing the sheets?
Oh, we designed the sheet, we designed them in a way that they would fit into the DVD cases too, so when we put a whole bunch and you donít have to worry about anything thatís left behind gets put into the DVD box.
Youíve got this pattern of doing an adult movie and then a kids movie, Iím curious, when youíre on set, how does your approach change? Or it doesnít?
It doesnít sometimes, I get in big trouble, I start cussing at the kids. ďWait a minute, Iím not around adults...Ē Itís a different sensibility. I compare it to if you have kids, you know, if you hang out with your buddies you talk one way, then when youíre hanging out with your kids you have a different voice on, you have your dad voice, youíre very appropriate. Itís two different, everybody has those sides to them.
What about the fact that you do, I donít know if thereís a lot of people who do a really adult movie like Sin City and then a really family-friendly movie like this one, thatís just for kids.
Iíve always gravitated to both, Iíve always really liked doing the genre pictures, but I come from a family of ten kids, I have five kids of my own. You want to do something for those experiences and those kind of jokes, those kind of sensibilities. The family films are great outlets for that because you do get a lot of ideas for things, family-oriented.
I would if I had more money! Believe me, Iíd rather not have to go to work that day. Iíd rather hire the best composer or the best cinematographer. Thatís what most directors do, they go, ďSurround me with the best people. Give me this guy and this guy, give me this top guy.Ē I mean when I go do commercials, I did a commercial called the Black Mamba, I was only hired as a director and I didnít have to pay for the commercial, it was expensive. If I had did it, I would have done it cheaper, the same commercial. Since they were paying for it, I said alright, they gave me the DP, the guy who shot Avatar, it was fantastic to work with all of these amazing people. The editor was the guy who cuts David Fincherís movies and heís cutting it.
Sounds like you havenít really changed much. When you first got in, you were so much worried about the dollar and everything like that, you still have that same mentality.
Yeah, if itís my movie, I have to make sure that the money gets put on the screen, or itís going to get pissed away. Youíre going to have nothing on the screen and the money, we ask for very little money for these movies, so it has to look like a huge summer movie, theyíre putting it out like a summer movie but it costs nothing.
Troublemaker Studio, of course, itís part of the cost of saving. When did you think, ďOh, Iím so glad that I made this movie in my studio.Ē
The whole time! I canít imagine this movie anywhere else. I would just not be able to do it because of the inefficiency that would happen. Itís just more efficient than any other way. But yeah, itís not because Iím a control freak or anything, I really just got it. And everyone who works on the movie has to do multiple jobs.
How did you come up with the title and the theme related to it? Was the title something from her majestyís secret service, you know, All The Time in the World?
Really, the actual theme came from me thinking Iím the timekeeper. Iím constantly wanting to freeze time or stop time because my kids are growing up so fast, so I thought that that would be a really cool idea for a villain. The themes of the Spy Kids movies that are always the same is that the bad guys are really not that bad, theyíre just misguided. And the kids donít go beat the bad guys, they go teach the bad guys something. So thatís always the twist in every Spy Kids movie. So this one I thought the bad guy was more a reflection of my own thoughts about time and time passing, or how weíre spending time. Thatís why I did it that way. The time in the title just sounded like a very big, ďJames Bond,Ē I had different versions but that one was the best one, ďAll the Time in the World.Ē
Yeah. I make my kids smell stuff, give me ideas. I show them scenes, early cuts of scenes to see what they like, or concepts. I asked my son what he thought of the Hammerhands idea, he loved it, wished he had them so he could break stuff.
Alexa was just talking about how she was pleasantly surprised to find out that she has a bigger role than she thought from original rumors. Was it always your intention to have Carmen and Juni sort of pass the torch, be a big part of the story, or was that in later drafts?
I didnít know how much we would have Daryl because he was possibly going to be shooting something else, so I skewed it heavier toward Carmen. Thatís why I had him show up near the end, I thought if heís stuck on this other movie and we only get him for a couple of days, I can shoot it out. But we ended up getting him for more time so they got to spend more time together. I donít know if that answers your question, but it was one of the considerations. I knew she was not going to be committed to this television series that he was going to be on.
So she was supposed to be related in some way to the Latino community, but itís not like Machete. Machete you have the chance to use immigration, and be really critical about it and everything. It seems to be more integrated into the story in this case because of everything that has happened, there are a lot of Mexican-American families, they are a part of the American psyche, you donít feel like trying to push that too much, itís just like in the background?
It was always like that. In the Spy Kids series they were Spanish, they spoke Latin. For people who were Latin it was a cool thing, for people who werenít it was just like, you know, James Bond is British. It gives them an ethnic specificity. Itís very specific and made it more universal because of how specific it was.
The Aromascope, is it just an experiment or do you see it going somewhere?
Aromascope, youíre going to see that in every movie now! Everybodyís going to do it! Itís very much for this particular picture. Then with 5D weíll have to see what 5D is.
So youíre not going to use it for something like Sin City 2.
Oh, I didnít say that. I didnít say Machete 2 wonít come in Aromascope. Thatís my brand I just created, I can always use it if I want to.
I always try to stay up on whatever new technology there is and push it further and seeing how you can do different things with it. Thatís the exciting thing about technology, what did they make it for and what can we use it for? Two different things. So thatís kind of where weíre going with the company, pushing things.
What happened to Red Sonja?
Red Sonja is a good example of why I started my own company. It was mainly the company that had the rights, Millenium, was going to produce it, but they had the rights and they were going to do it before Conan to test the ground for ConanThen they decided, ďWell, letís do Conan first and then if thatís successful weíll do Red Sonja.Ē So from now on, what I do now is I have my own company called Quick Draw where we get the rights, like, to Heavy Metal or Fire and Ice, and we own the rights. So we can just go make the movie when we get the script, we donít have to have a third part saying, ďWell, we donít know. I might want to do this first.Ē Thereís nothing worse than being ready to go do something and then having someone else get in the way of that. So I donít do stuff under anyone else anymore, just my own stuff.
On the subject of your future projects, at Comic Con you announced a full slate. Do you know an order that you want to do them in?
We have financing for them, so itís really whichever one has a script finished first, weíll start shooting first. I really donít know which one would actually come out first. Sin City has more effects on it than something like a Machete, so Machete can conceivably start shooting later but still come out before. You never really know. So we can start going, the cool thing is we can just start whenever weíve got our script.
With movies today, you know, Detroit is filming a lot of movies, obviously Texas, can you think of any ways LA, Iím not saying itís passť but itís just the cost is so expensive, that youíre going to see a lot of things doing what youíre doing, where youíre just going to film at a lot of different places around the country?
It could be, thatís what people are doing a lot of now. Theyíre shooting a lot of movies in Louisiana, like you said, a lot of places. Which is good, at least theyíre shooting in the states.
Do you like the trend of that?
I like that theyíre shooting in the states more rather than everyone going to Canada or Bulgaria.
Yeah, I see what you mean. I try to utilize it for my movies and my purposes. I havenít signed up for a lot of movies that other people own that are really big, that theyíre going to spend a lot of money on. I donít think you need to spend that much money on things.
Whatís your biggest dream for your company in looking at the future?
Just kind of what weíre doing now, just owning and controlling our own properties and not having to rely on the studios for financing. The studios donít finance anymore, they get outside funds. So now just, instead of going to them to broker a deal, we just go to the financers. So itís just a little cleaner that way and keeps the power in the hands of the filmmakers.
With so many films in 3D, is that a good thing or bad thing for the industry? I know a lot of the films that came out this year in particular, most people were still seeing them in a flat screen.
I think because there are so many to choose from now, itís not as special, so people are choosing like, which one do they think is worth the extra money, especially because they are charging more. When I did the Spy Kids 3D, I didnít charge more for the glasses. Same with the Aromascope, itís free. Iím not going to charge people more for that. So when they charge more for it, the audience gets wise after a while and goes ďOh, well obviously we have to choose which one. If everythingís 3D, we canít see everything in 3D.Ē It means the ticket prices are just higher overall and we donít want that. Itís better, that way maybe studios wonít make some movies in 3D that they know really shouldnít be 3D. So that might be better overall.
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