Alright, so Oliver Stone's World Trade Center came and went without offending anyone or pissing on the victims of 9/11. We dodged a bullet there folks. Care to try it again?
Get ready, we might have to. Our friends over at Filmstalker have dug up a story from the NY Post which says yet another World Trade Center movie may be on the way.
This movie is about another last men out of the WTC, William Rodriguez. Rodriguez's story starts out heroically. A janitor at the Trade Center, on the day of the attack he was the only man with a master key to all the doors in the building. So, in a bit of bravery he led Firefighters up the stairs of the North Tower unlocking doors for them as he went. He made it to floor 39 before he evacuated, and in the process saved hundreds of lives. He made it out of the buildling just before it collapsed, but was buried under rubble for an hour before being rescued.
That's the good part. The bad part is that after it was all over he launched a lawsuit against the government accusing President Bush of planning the attacks himself.
So, who do you go to when you're a 9/11 hero full of conspiracy theories against the government? Charlie Sheen of course. Rodriguez is reportedly talking to Sheen and Esai Morales about funding a project to bring his story to theaters. He says that Charlie's on board, and told him he'd "be honored" to turn his story into a movie. Writer David Marconi is reportedly already part of the project.
Marconi insists that the movie will focus on Rodirguez's 9/11 heroism, but I find that a little hard to believe. Sheen has gained some notoriety as a 9/11 conspiracy theorist in the past, and if you're not going to explore his story from that angle, then why bother to go to him over some other Hollywood actor?
If you thought audiences weren't ready to see faithful re-enactments of the events of the day, just wait until they have to react to a 9/11 film filled with accusatory conspiracy theories. Wait, we already had that didn't we? It was called Fahrenheit 9/11 and it outgrossed United 93 and World Trade Center combined. If he does it, Charlie Sheen just might end up getting very very rich.
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I hope Charlie does make this into a conspiracy movie. The more eyes that are open to the truth of that fateful day, the safer we will be from the government sponsered terrorists.
The official government story about 9/11 IS a conspiracy theory: that 19 cave dwellers from Afghanistan, none of whom were expert pilots, could not only commandeer 4 civilian planes armed with only box cutters, but they got NORAD to stand down and not intercept them in violation of all existing procedures. They also supposedly fooled the NSA, CIA, FBI and Secret Service despite the governments of Russia, Germany, Pakistan, Israel and Egypt warning Bush of the impending air attacks in the months before 9/11. Yeah, that's REAL plausible - for a communist government worshipper perhaps.
Very good indeed. Qui Bono??? Not the Afghanis or the other Arabs, they are not so stupid to do such a thing and on the other hand they are ttoo stupid, I mean too incompetent. It is clear that the governement did it, more than half of all people believe so. It is time that a next [official] investigation will be forced to bring the facts out. The fascist US Bush cabal has done enough damage in the world and at home.
Mr. Taylor,
Instead of trying to smear Mr. Sheen, why don't you find out what all the
"Conspiracies theories" are about and explore that? If you did any research you would find out that Mr. Sheen did not get his ideas from out of the blue, he was recently on the Jimmy Kimmel show and the he cited research done by
the "Scholars for 9/11 truth" a who's who of academia (scientist, engineers and physicists). If you did further research you would see much bigger names than his: Micheal Meecher(Ex British Prime Minister under Tony Blair), Morgan Reynolds(former Chief Economist under President Bush), Lt. Col. Craig Roberts, Andre von Bulow(former German Defense Minister and Minister of Technology), Stephen Jones (physicist professor at Brigham Young University),
Prof. Jones shows how scientifically how WTC could not have happened that way, that is just a few and there are ALOT more. What is your credentials? A washed up internet journalist? Where is your evidence? If I were you, I would sit back, be quiet and do some research before you write what you know nothing about.
It is only a matter of time before all of America is aware of this indisputable truth.
Charlie Sheen is just one of the first American celebrities to testify to this.
It would be interesting to see a movie revolving around Mr. Rodriguez' direct testimony to witnessing the damage caused by underground demolition charges which were detonated right as Flight 11 slammed into the North Tower.
Apparently Mr Tyler, the author of the above article, would rather spend an evening watching fictitious soap operas based on fascist warmongering fairytales, such as the official story of 9/11.
Worship your leaders.
Fear the terrorists.
Write articles assasinating the characters of free thinking Americans.
You are such an amazing patriot Mr. Tyler. Keep up the good work and remember, "Never question your government"
Is this janitor the one who claims he pulled survivors from the basement levels who'd been injured from sub-level explosions? I remember hearing his story.
Not many people understand that when those two Airliners rammed into the TWO WTC Towers all SEVEN Buildings in the WTC Complex were destroyed. Most obviously demolished was WTC7, a 47 story skyscraper which was 300 feet and across a street from the nearest Tower and never hit by anything other than dust. Like ALL the other buildings in the complex, it was on fire ( Gee, wonder how that happened) but the fire was nowhere near severe enough to bring down a steel framed building. It collapsed into its own footprint in a picture perfect facsimilie of a well excecuted controlled demolition late that afternoon.
Most people don't know that the entire WTC Complex changed hands only a few weeks before the 'attack' and that the ink on the new owners $7.2 Billion dollar insurance policy had scarcely dried when they fell down. The same owner himself admitted on TELEVISION that he suggested to the NYFB Chief that they 'pull' the WTC7 building.
"Pull", is slang for demolish. Those of us in the Tin Foil Hat brigade find it hard to believe that NY Firemen, who had lost 300 of their buddies that day would be inclined to enter a burning building and in a matter of a few hours strategically place explosive charges which would bring down this 47 story skyscraper.
Especially when EXPERTS (not firemen) would take weeks to do the same thing. We believe, as does Charlie Sheen, that the perpetrators of 911, those who murdered 3,000 innocent people, were those who most stood to gain from this horrible deed.
And that wasn't Osama bin Laden and 19 skinny Arabs.
Here's a simple way to quiet us conspiracy theorists: release footage obtained by the airports' security cameras on 9/11 SHOWING us the Arab hijackers boarding the plane.
But WOULDN'T YOU KNOW IT---those cameras just conveniently happened to be not working that day!
The official 9/11 story is full of convenient "coincidences" like this. The 9/11 Truth Movement can only expand & grow, because anyone who looks into the real facts will start doubting the Bush administration's story.
There's so many facts that it's too much work to regurgitate them here. Check these links out to get started, carefully read through them, and decide for yourself:
http://whatreallyhappened.com/911stand.html
http://whatreallyhappened.com/hijackers.html
http://whatreallyhappened.com/9-11bushbooker.html
http://whatreallyhappened.com/9-11_wtc_videos.html
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/flight_93_depressurisation.html
http://whatreallyhappened.com/fiveisraelis.html
http://whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape.html
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wrh_9-11_index.html
http://www.911proof.com
http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org
William Rodriguez IS a HERO! One who heard bombs going off inside the towers. He has come forward because he knows that the official story IS a conspiracy theory. I look forward to this.
God bless Charlie Sheen and every red-blooded American patriot willing to stand up and speak the truth in the face of the corrupt liars! If Sheen needs an advertising machine or a marketing partner on this, please let me know! Hollywood has already played its hand at selling all the bogus renditions and propaganda pieces on 9/11 those filthy government liars have funded and helped produce. Here's to Sheen and co. nailing the bastards on all their lies in the "official version"!
"The bad part is that after it was all over he launched a lawsuit against the government accusing President Bush of planning the attacks himself."
No the bad part is that folks like you either won't look at or can't understand the evidence that shows the so-called conspiracy theorists to be much closer to the truth than the conspiracy-theory-peddling government and mass media.
Do you even know what journalism is, Josh? Get the facts correct before you publish.
Micheal Meecher was an ex-Prime Minister under Tony Blair? Damn, I didn't know they could have a PM under a PM. Guess I should study European politics more...
William Rodriguez "in a bit of bravery"....amazing insensitivity Josh Tyler.
Rodriguez was awarded with the highest honor a civilian can receive, the presidential Medal of Freedom.
The one FBI Director Mueller and CIA director George Tenet received....the exception being Rodriguez is the only one deserving of it.
Rodriguez posed a problem to the 911 Commission, because his extrodinary retelling of "two " seperate explosions within seconds of the first plane hitting the north tower. He heard a "boom" and thought that a generator had exploded in the subbasement. Clearly knowing the source for the explosion came from below. Before he could even complete that thought, he heard another explosion near the top of the building. That was the plane impact. Rodriguez told all of this to the 911 commission and strangely, all of those comments were left on the cutting room floor.
Another relevant mention is that a janitorial working immediately came into the room Rodriguez was in, one of the subbasements. He had skin hanging off him and shouted "explosion! explosion!". Even pieces, chunks of flesh missing from his face. He said he thought they came from the elevators.
It's common knowledge for anybody who's intellectually honest and who has really looked at 911 events at ground zero to conclude that the buildings were demolished intentionally. Building 7 is the dead give away, and it shares many characteristics with the twin towers in terms of collapse time, symmetry, and pools of molten iron and partially evaporated steel found in the basements of all three buildings.
Rodriguez's retelling is eyewitness data, that like many other pieces of the WTC 911 events, aligns itself with the inevitable conclusion that the buildings were exploded.
The subbasements were blown right before the plane impact, an initial explosion to seperate the buildings core columns from the bedrock foundation.
A woman holding a business meeting recorded it on 911. She captured the initial explosion heard by Rodriguez and others. She even remarks "sounded like the concourse level (ie: below, lobby or further down)..then .nearly 9 seconds later, another explosion is captured and a gentleman remarks "sounded like something hit the building"...that something being the plane.
If you're intrigued by this information, go to the source as to understanding why more and more people believe the buildings were brought down by controlled demolitions.
Prof. Steven Jones, BYU Physicist paper entitled: "Why Indeed did The WTC Buildings Collapse". Available at www.st911.org.
It provides online links where you can view the collapse of building 7 and the twin towers. Critical in truly examining this hypothesis and request for further scientific investigation.
I started looking in to 9/11 after Charlie Sheen mentioned it, in fact after I was sent a link to the Showbiz tonight segment. I feel a little foolish now but after 9/11 I just accepted the offcial story, like most people I assume. However, on further investigation there are some huge holes with the offcial theory but ironically one of the major turning points for me was a Popular Mechcanics article that tried to support the offical story.
Unfortunatly for the author of that article, there was one fact that I knew was an out and out lie - I'm a pilot and I learnt to fly in the US, the article states that the only time a Airforce plane had been scrambled to intercept a wayward aircraft was in the case of some golfer private jet. Strange that durring my training, 3 years before 9/11, a fellow student flew inadvertently in to controlled airspace and got a F-15 escort as a result. This was actually a fairly common occurance, is standard operating proceedure and has been for years.
Recently I heard a radio Interview with the guy who wrote that Popular Mechanics article as he now has a book out on 9/11, he dodged a lot of the questions in the interview but what struck me the most was when challenged about the BBC report that some of the highjackers are still alive, he claimed that this information was only ever reported in the BBC and stated (without evidence) that the BBC just made a mistake. Another lie as I personally saw that article in the Guardian Newspaper which quoted the FBI as a source.
Although it might be tempting to look upon those who are sceptical of the offcial 9/11 story as kooks as I once did, once time is taken with a rational, non-emotive mind there are some highly disturbing facts that surrond the whole event, this is completely beyound any question. What really did occur needs to be investigated because the reality is we just don't know. Then again we never did find who bought all the put options on airline stocks and that would have been easy to trace or who was sending around Anthrax which was a strain only made in a few locations in the United States - I find it amazing how easily people forget these questions.
If Oliver Stone can make a movie about the 2 PAPD police officers, why can't Charlie Sheen do one about William Rodriguez? What's the problem? Mr Rodriguez led those firefighters up the tower and helped evacuate those people and did a yeoman's job for a janitor. A JANITOR!!! So I think a movie for a janitor should be made. The man is a major HERO!!! And if Charlie wants to add THE TRUTH to his movie, more power to him. He probably will out gross any other 9/11 movie because people will want to see the truth. Go Charlie!!!
Yes. Rodrigues is the man who reported the sub basement explosions including the one he claimed destroyed a 50 tonne press and destroyed some form of blast door as if it was tin foil.
I personally am amazed he hasn't had some form of nasty accidient.
The official story about 9/11, as chronicled in the Kean-Zelikow 9/11 Commission Report, is itself a conspiracy theory, one which is proving to be
untenable.
For example, the FBI has no evidence to connect OBL and 19-Arab kamikazis to 9-11, at least 7 of the alleged hi-jackers are alive, and the Kean-Zelikov Panel now questions the veracity of its own report.
As well, Professor David Ray Griffin's book "The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions" demonstrates that the official conspiracy theory cannot be true.
Disparaging Charlie Sheen because he finds untenable and rejects a conspiracy theory that you happen to accept seems irrational to me, and not in character with your typically sharp sensibility, Josh.
FYI:
The 911 Commission Report: A 571-Page Lie
http://www.serendipity.li/wot/571-page-lie.htm
FBI says, “No hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11”
http://www.teamliberty.net/id267.html
9/11 Panel Suspected Deception by Pentagon
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=20060802&articleId=2890
Wow! I didn't know whether or not to take the 50 crazed comments before yours as a joke or not Josh. Did the Charlie Sheen fan club attack this section or are there lots of crazy people with no proof other than their own misguided beliefs. By the way. I am Jewish.
Way to go Charlie, you like many of us have done your homework. Josh probable come to the same conclusion if he looked it over.
The explosives to the trade center buildings were so enormous that the concrete and everything inside the buildings including, computers, desks, chairs, and asbestos, everything including the people were exploded into dust particles.
Pancaking can not do this. Common sense stuff.
The very fact that the buildings fell is suspect. Never has a steel structure building fallen because of fire.
Kerosene does not burn hot enough to melt steel Period!! If it did then most kerosene burning stoves used in homes for a century would have melted by now.
Buildings cannot pancake at free fall speed. Period.
Please investigate 9/11 for yourself Josh.
It’s not rocket science, It’s a little math and some basic physics.
Watch a video of WTC 7 falling in 6 seconds. Building was not hit by a plane. It’s a
building take down that would make any high end demolition company green with envy.
Remember it is ok to disagree with your government. That is for a few more months anyway.
Anyone who believes the "Official Story" of what happened on 9/11 needs help big time. It was so obviously an inside job, a blind man could see it. The official story is a complete joke and not worthy of my consideration. It's comic book stuff. Ian Flemming would have trouble selling it.
I believe that the American people have been deceived. I believed the official story until the last few months when I looked at the information myself.
What is ignored about the Popular Mechanics article is its obvious bias. Anyone claiming this article *definitively* disproves the 911 truth movement's 'facts' has got rocks in their head.
The biggest enemy of the 911 truth movement is its own leadership which quite frankly stinks. The very idea of using(let alone allowing) the 'producers' of that pile of junk 'Loose Change' as authorative, reasonable, sensible people is just stupid and shows without a shadow of a doubt that the movement is poisonous to the truth. I am not claiming that I know what really happened and I doubt that i will ever know but, I can be pretty sure that holographic planes *DIDN'T* fire holographic missiles and that a large commuter plane *DID* hit the Pentagon on 911.
The Pentagon released photos that do NOT show anything that could be mistaken for a commuter jet and this was done on purpose. I wonder just how many millions of US taxpayer dollars are being invested in the NO PLANE hoax. When the next Pentagon plane photos/videos are released there will be no doubt at all of what hit the Pentagon and the majority of the US will thern look upon the 911 truthers as a bunch of morons and let's face it a lot of 911 truthers need(in order of importance);
1- A bath
2- A cause (How many would be involved in 911 truth if Dubya had legalised pot?)
3- Another brain cell (in case the active one blue screens)
Sorry Phil I got off track. The author of the 911 article is Benjamin Chertoff the cousin of the man who's position is the Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security. Of course that in itself is nothing but a coincidence. I guess I am now a coincidence theorist.
Don't kid yourself, over 33% of Americans now think their own Government had some involvement in 911. That's a Hundred Million Americans! Whatever you may think of Charlie Sheen, there are University professors, Politicians, World leaders who agree that 911 HAD TO BE DONE WITH INSIDER 'HELP' and that 19 skinny Arabs suceeding in overpowering FOUR sets of Airline Passengers and crew is so wildly improbable as to be ridiculous.
It was Adolf Hitler who said the little people are more inclined to believe a really BIG LIE (Like 911) because they often tell little lies themselves, but find the really BIG lie a bit hard to swallow. What he was getting at was that if you want to get away with something BIG (like 911) you've gotta tell a really big WHOPPER of a lie and you will, because the little punters will swallow it.
Hey buddy, there's at least 100,000,000 Americans who have woken up. Go to www.whatreallyhappened.com for openers.
Charlie Sheen is a national hero. The official 9/11 story falls apart upon inspection. The official story is the most outrageous conspiracy theory.
Charlie Sheen is absolutely correct, and a great patriot, for laying everything on the line to demand truth.
He is not the only one. 9/11 family members are now demanding a new "real" 9/11 investigation that looks at all the disturbing realities. Realities that point to US govt. involvement in the events, from some quarters of the govt.
When you look at the 3 WTC buildings, and how fires existed only on 3 or 4 floors, yet the 90 plus floors below them (in WTCs 1 and 2) suddenly melted out of the way to allow them to fall at free fall speed, you know something is not right. WTC 7 of course was not even hit by a plane that day.
Considering that these were the first three steel reinforced skyscrapers in engineering history to collapse due to fire/and or external damage . . . a real investigation is a requirement.
Given that two wars (so far) have been launched in the name of 9/11, and our civil liberties have been gutted, and our economy has slid into a permanent war economy that sucks resources away from education, healthcare, and rebuilding New Orleans and crumbling infrastructure elsewhere . . . we deserve to know the whole truth. Every fact must be examined.
The most massive air defense failure in American history occurred on 9/11, when for nearly one and a half hours commercial jets hijacked, flew over the most protected airspace in the world . . . with not one . . . not one fighter interceptor jet arriving until it was too late . . . and no one . . . no one ever being held accountable. What is up with that?
If you or I screwed up like that . . . what would happen to us? Fact is, it wasn't a screw up. Norm Minetta's testimony to the 9/11 Commission suggests that Cheney likely ordered a stand down to allow the aircraft to fly into the Pentagon, defying all normal FAA and DOD flight intercept procedures.
Why? Bush Admin. approval goes from 30s to 90s in one day. Bush gets the Iraq oil war he wanted. The military industry including Bush & Bin Laden interests skyrocket in one day. Oil companies get access to Afghanistan's pipeline contracts, the oil flowing thru them, and Iraq's oil. Not a bad day, if you have no soul, and had a plan (PNAC) written before Bush's election that said you wanted to control global energy resources, but the only way American would go along with it is if a horrific catalyzing attack on the US homeland occurred.
Charlie Sheen isnt making a conspiracy movie! hes trying to epose the truth about what really happened in New York on 911 the press are just too scared to expose the truth and ignore the evidence the just love the word" conspiracy theory" and just print government propaganda.
First, as the master planner behind this conspiracy, I know when it's time to fess up. But please understand, the plan was to fly plabes into the New York Times building, Rockefeller Center. and Chucj Schumer's house in Georgetown. Those moron Hollywood extras we hired were too freaking stupid to follow directions. Sheesh. Next time we go with the Irish.
Only one of the checkpoints even possessed cameras. And they do show the hijackers.
Everyone:
Please, guys, do a little research that does not involve YouTube, Google or some slanted website. You cant "investigate" from inside your house using a keyboard and monitor. All (All!) of they crap you are spreading here is speculative, unsubstanciated, specious or an outright lie. You are being a sheep, believing and following words you read off a website. C'mon!!
I wish more celebrities who knew about the new world order would speak out to force the media to at least look at the evidence. This is not a left or right issue, this is about an elite group of people who are tring to control the world and eliminate as many as possible. They have been planning this since the American revolution.
9/11 was an inside job. That's a fact. I'm not saying GW planned it... no no no, this was being planned a few years before he got into office... but he def. gained from it. Look how much our administration has gained through 9/11.. It's almost like a blessing in disguise for them.. They get to invade any country they want, No bid contracts for his rich friends. He get's to pass laws that turns the US into a police state, giving away our freedoms. (Patriot Act etc.) The list goes on... I'm not going to go on and on.. but I, like many other people, once believed the governments story of what happened that day... I did some research out of curiosity.. and guess what?.. The Governments official story is the official LIE.. and the mainsteam media perpetuates this lie to keep the people who have not researched 9/11 ignorant and in the dark..Please research it with even 20% an open mind and draw your own conclusions. For starters you can read David Ray Griffin- New Pearl Harbor. This will def. get the wheels turning.
Charlie Sheen will be boycotted in every theater in the U.S. if he narrates this Nazi-like propaganda! But, it's important to remember some of the dumbest
members of our society are actors--look at Sean Penn, Mandona, Rosie, et al
Their cumulative IQ is a single diget.
Charlie Sheen will be boycotted in every theater in the U.S. if he narrates this Nazi-like propaganda! But, it's important to remember some of the dumbest
members of our society are actors--look at Sean Penn, Mandona, Rosie, et al
Their cumulative IQ is a single diget.
to help counter the "big lie" we truth seekers must initially keep it very simple to get the hijacker believers , which i was up unitil the beginning of 2007, to see how the new world order and 9/11 are part & parcel.
hijacker beleivers, checkout a picture of a beautiful blond girl in white slacks standing and leaning on the bent steel where the plane had just hit. she's trying to be rescued. if the fire was so hot, to melt steel, how could she be standing and holding on to the steel with her bare hands. you have to go to google, then hit the video tab, and type in 911. this could of been your sister that was sacrificed. she could have been rescued. we'll get those no good bastards, especially rove.
Bush is the devil reincarnated. I cannot believe some people still have doubts about what happened on 911. For goodness sake it is so obvious the pentagon was hit by a missile. They only release five frames of the whole dam incident. Remember folks the pentagon has hundreds of cameras, and the ones from the hotel and the gas stations was taken by the FBI. It's sad bush will attack Iran next, but it wouldn't be a walkover. Like the story of David and Goliath in the bible, a Super Power nation can be easily brought down by a smaller nation.
Mr. Bush was born July 6, 1946. If you add up all the digits in his date of birth you get 7+6+1+9+4+6 = 33 = 3+3 = 6.
On November 7, 2000, Bush took his next giant leap towards world domination when he was inaugurated president of the United States on January 20, 2001. 1+2+0+2+0+0+1 = 6. Another six to replace the one he had as Governor.
Bush declared his candidacy for president on June 12, 1999, at a mid-day Bar-B-Q in Iowa. By turning the day into a product of simple addition, we easily come up with the date 6/(6+6)/1999.
Charlie has had a troubled past and there's no doubt that it will come back to haunt him when Loose Change 3 is about to hit theaters. Every right wing nut will go after Charlie and Dylan Avery.
I'm proud to see Charlie Sheen take a stand on something and that he's leaving his troubled past behind and doing great things with his life. He's got balls, there's not many Hollywood actors that would take that chance. He's grown up, became an American patriot and it's not going to be forgotten by those of that have done the proper research on 9/11.
He knows this is going to hurt his career, he knows it's going to hurt his reputation, he knows he will loose work, respect from friends and family but yet he's decided to say it was worth it in the end. Thank you for helping getting Loose Change noticed Charlie!
Im glad to see that most people who have written on this forum understand that 9/11 was an inside job... btw the lastest polls now show that at least 36% believe the US government was involved, it sickens me when is see how biased the mass media is and saddens me greatly when uneducated american's buy into corporate propaganda. BTW those of you who are blaming jews... don't do that it hurts our movement... jews are just people... its the corporate elites that run this country behind closed doors that we need to be accusing and going after...
I know someone that walked onto Wall Street as the first plane went in, who can verify bodies were present from the planes... and can only guess the horrifying site that must have represented on the day.
However you must also question the inconsistencies around 9/11. Including a commission that took evidence in secret, excluded testimony and neglected to call witnesses to that day because their accounts would be contradictory to the "official story". There's one word for that, a white wash.
In addition it was the perfect excuse to advance the agenda of those in power at the white house - including an invasion of Iraq which made no sense when considerred as part on the war on terror.
It's unfortunate that people become blinkerred by the fog of patriotism, because if you look and just scratch the surface something seriously doesn't add up with the media story that we've all been told.
people on this site are informed they know 911 was a murderous attack on innocent civilians by elements of our own government. 90% of people who dont believe in the truth of what happened on 911 just dont know enough about it, if they did they would see the truth.
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August 30th, 2006 at 12:04
I hope Charlie does make this into a conspiracy movie. The more eyes that are open to the truth of that fateful day, the safer we will be from the government sponsered terrorists.